One wonders if Mike get pays extra for undertaking this? Actually I like
thinking about the possibility that his backers have just suicided their
minion to silence the small-plane proponent. And I know all you out there
are feeling "chilled" by this, right? So how much is Mike Ruppert's
professional reputation worth, do you think? And I destroyed it how?
Lawsuits! Does Ruppert sound like one of us in his letter, or like one of
them? And note that he is not fighting back on my serious and true
statements about his holding back on the Pentagon evidence with his
public,
but on the absurd issue of my thinking that he was a founder of cia-drugs!
What could be more trivial. Mike is being very "ulterior" here I think.
It
will not play well for him.
Dick Eastman
223 S. 64 Ave.
Yakima, Wa****ngton 98908
----------------------------
August 5, 2004
Reply to Mike Ruppert.
I welcome your lawsuit. You have just fatally damaged your own "business"
by sending me this letter. The representation I have made about you is
that
you have not given the Pentagon evidence its due, nor have your responded
to
my numerous mailings urging you to do so. That I had the impression that
you were a founder of cia-drugs with Daniel Hopsicker, a position which I
did not contest when corrected by the cia-drugs moderator is just
wonderful
grounds for a lawsuit. My attorney, paid for by my Farmers house
insurance,
will be delighted.
And if you read the letters of mine which you append, you will see that
each
of your representations is far off-target, so much so that the many
readers
of this enlightening little missive of yours will certainly will that
your
good judgement is now an urgent issue.
And now that I have your attention, a response from you at last ! -- did
the Boeing crash into the Pentagon or not?
Why have you not shared the Pentagon evidence, the strongest body of 911
evidence that we have, with your readers?
I think the issue has been well raised, don't you? Or have you promised
som
eone not to discuss the Pentagon evidence?
I like to bring facts out into the light. Don't you?
Sincerely,
Dick Eastman
223 S. 64th Ave.
Yakima, Wa****ngton
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From:"Mike Ruppert" <mruppert@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To:"'Dick Eastman'" <oldickeastman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
pentagon911@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"'Ken'" <apfn@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
911crimefile@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
OF INTENT TO SUE DICK EASTMAN
Date:Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:13:58 -0700
Mike Ruppert <mruppert@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
NOTICE OF INTENT TO SUE
For the record:
I was never an "owner" or prime moderator of CIA-drugs. The list was
founded
and "owned" by Dan Hopsicker. Even when I served as a co-moderator, Daniel
Hopsicker retained the power to remove me from that position had he chosen
to do so. I removed myself voluntarily to do harassment, threats and
activities intended to distract me and occupy my time.
I have not been a moderator of the CIA-Drugs list in more than three
years.
I have not been a member of the CIA-drugs list, received any of its
messages, or participated in any of its activities for more than two
years.
I resigned completely from that last shortly after September 11th.
Any representation on any semi-public list, or by sending
multiply-addressed
emails by Dick Eastman or anyone else, contrary to these facts, with the
intent to defame my reputation or damage my business will result in
immediate legal action against Dick Eastman or whoever continues with
libelous messages. The same warning is issued now to anyone else who
repeats
these demonstrably false accusations.
I have the money, the lawyers and the facts to do this.
The records of when I removed myself as one of two moderators and when I
resigned from that list are abundantly do***ented and available in the
list'
s archives.
This is fair warning and it is the ONLY warning anyone will receive.
Michael C. Ruppert
www.fromthewilderness.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Eastman [mailto:oldickeastman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thursday, August 05, 2004 12:34 PM
To: pentagon911@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
pentagonconspiracy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ken;
mruppert@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
911crimefile@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
more Eastmsan responds to Kris ("roadsend" cia-drugs moderator)
--
My defense -- expanded with archived proof
Here is a discussion between the moderator of cia-drugs, Kris (roadsend)
and myself -- that reveals how cia-drugs has indeed worked hard to block
and
off-handedly badmouth but never honestly engage and answer the conclusive
evidence from the small-plane (not a Boeing 757) attack on the Pentagon .
Moderator Kris ("roadsend") demonstrates his own attitude towards the
issue. In what follows you have one man calling the other a liar and the
other man presenting archive after archive establi****ng that his version
is
correct and that the others statements are highly misleading. I leave it
to
readers to determine who is who.
-------
Note: I have long associated cia-drugs with Mike Ruppert -- Although
once a member, where I met Brian Quigs's work -- I left after Quigs
death
(not liking how Quig or myself were being treated) -- but when no one
followed (I did not know what internet people were like back then --
thinking that they would follow) I sought back in, not once but several
times over many months -- and I complained about being blocked from
re-subscribing on several lists -- anyway I got back in as "Grot" and
"Ol' Friend" with a different address -- and started posting -- now Kris
has to answer me since I got the Pentagon evidence on the table again and
he
can't just brush it off -- keeping me out after I leave, is a different
proposition from giving me the boot once I am in -- it just doesn't look
good, does it? Especially on a list listed as "unmoderated"
Anyway, Kris is the one who says:
> Dick. You theories are bogus and part and parcel of disinfo and mud.
and
"Why do you lie all the time, Dick? Ruppert sells my books. I do not agree
with every thing Ruppert says nor do I ask him to agree with me. And many
people ignore you Dick, because you an obvious timewaster and wanker. You
lie, obfuscate and have no credibility. There is no evidence."
Remember as you read, that Kris is attacking the same evidence that has
passed muster with Prof. A. K. Dewdney, Jerry Longspaugh, Jim Hoffman,
Nico
Haupt -- they very best of the best -- and that the opposition --
Ruppert, Rivero, John Judge ALWAYS RUN AWAY WHENEVER THIS EVIDENCE IS
PRESENTED IN A FORUM -- THE EXCHANGE WITH KRIS BELOW SHOWS YOU EXACTLY
WHAT I MEAN.
Dick Eastman
223 S. 64th Ave,
Yakima, Wa****ngton
----- Original Message -----
From: roadsend@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
cia-drugs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [cia-drugs] Fwd: Bogus 9/11 sites and fake films -
muddying
the waters with easily disproved claims - a COINTELPRO effort to discredit
the 9/11 movement?
In a message dated 8/5/04 12:28:03 AM, olfriend@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
My question was straight-forward -- why doesn't Ruppert and why don't you
give the Pentagon evidence its due?
There is no due, Dick. You theories are bogus and part and parcel of
disinfo
and mud.
You can not even answer simple questions. Such as where the plane went?
REPLY: I always answer this question whenever asked. The Boeing flew
over
the Pentagon and in less that 7 seconds was over Reagan National Air****t.
The plane was seen over the 14th street bridge -- where because it was
banking , people observing it thought it was cra****ng. The first radio
re****ts in D.C. indicated that there had been an jetliner crash into the
14th street bridge (i.e. past the crash and near the air****t). ALSO, the
first call for the Reagan National firetrucks was to a crash at the north
end of the runways -- someone again saw the Boeing and thought that it
had
crashed at the air****t -- seeing the plane and the Pentagon smoke behind
it
to the northwest. The Boeing 757 eventually landed at Reagan with other
all
aircraft being called down at this time -- it then taxied to a hanger
where
it stayed for a long time -- Reagan National reopened months after all
ofther air****ts in the country. The plane was met by some of the 87
Israelis at Reagan National and Dulles (where Flight 77 originated!) with
illegal top security p***** allowing them to go anywhere in the air****t
(tower, loading, security, ticketing, baggage, hangers etc.) -- some of
these doubtless did a chop shop job on the plane -- like a stolen
ercedes -- either taking it out in pieces or else giving it new numbers
and
livery, perhaps foreign, so that one day it just flew away and is not
making
flights, one may speculate, in another country -- Israel perhaps or China.
I see now that Ruppert has nothing to do with this list or with you and so
you are not in a position to tell me what Ruppert thinks -- he has
refused
these two plus years to respond to any letter of mine or to any message to
explain why he ignored the multiple evidence proving tha the Boeing was
not
the plane that crashed at the Pentagon.
Why do you lie all the time, Dick? Ruppert sells my books. I do not agree
with every thing Ruppert says nor do I ask him to agree with me. And many
people ignore you Dick, because you an obvious timewaster and wanker. You
lie, obfuscate and have no credibility. There is no evidence.
Eastman reply: I can't afford to lie, even once. Ruppert HAS refused to
respond to any letter of mine or to any message from me asking him to
explain why he ignores this multiple conclusive evidence. I know nothing
about you or your relation****p to Ruppert -- I merely see now that
Ruppert
has nothing to do with this list or your moderation of it. And someone
who
says to me, "Why do you lie all the time, Dick?" who has not been reading
my
posts because he has kept me off his list is not only saying something he
is
in no position to verify or not, but is also very obviously using
rhetorical
tricks and evasions -- rather than engaging the question.
Dick Eastman has been banned from this list -- his repeated efforts to
subscribe after the death of Quig have been rejected -- if he assumes
another identity it must be to reach the readers of this list with his
information -- he must respect them enough to want to reach them over
censor****p.
Dick, you were never banned from this list. You left of your own accord
when the forgeries blew-up in yours, webfairies and "sean McBride's"
faces.
Eastman reply: I am banned now and have been since a week after I left.
This is clearly indicated by the fact that when I go to my yahoogroups
menu
http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups?sort=m&order=a&page=2
I see that I have
archives only for cia-drugs, which is what you get when a list's archives
are public but you have been banned from posting. And, as I said I have
applied many times, never getting in. I even remember asking someone on
the
list to e-mail you about this to find out what was going on. Go check
your
list of banned members -- BOTH senhorsan and oldickeastman are banned --
and everyother identity and ISP server identity I have applied to, always
with my name, have been not been approved.
Yes, I did leave of my own accord, but what I am talking about is being
banned from being allowed to re-join when I found that esteemed
discussants
did not follow over to Quigs_Fight -- I sought to rejoin and was rejected
each time over several months. Also, Quig was very upset with your
treating him exactly as you are treating me now -- he contacted several
discussants about starting a new discussion group -- I was only one of
these. When he died I created the Quig list as a memorial and posted
every
Quig letter I could find to its archives -- AND SOMEONE FOUND THE LETTER
THAT EXPRESSES HIS VIEWS OF YOU AND WHICH MAKE YOU LOOK BAD -- AND SO ALL
OF A SUDDEN YOU KNOW THAT I "FORGED" A FAKE LETTER TO "GET YOU" AND"TAKE
OVER THE CIA-DRUGS LIST -- AND THEN I BURIED THE FORGERY IN THAT BIG LONG
ARCHIVE OF LETTERS KNOWING THAT SOME ONE WOULD FIND IT AND SPREAD THE WORD
ALL OVER, RIGHT? WRONG! Everyone can see what is really going on here --
you are doing cover-up -- in parallel with Rupert -- to suppress the
Pentagon evidence. That is all I have to say:
Readers can check the totally empirical conclusive evidence here -- the
evidence does the talking, I merely point out what is in the picture and
the
case proves itself. Five kminutes will convince anyone with an open mind
that what I say is true. Here is the same evidence I have been trying to
get to readers for over two years. It is UNANSWERABLE by Ruppert, by
you,
by anyone.
http://www.bedoper.com/eastman
(start with this overview -- it links to
full evidence)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/911crimefile/message/8
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/911crimefile/message/3
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/507
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagonconspiracy/message/71
]
You make the accusation that I once tried to "take over" the list? How do
I
do that when you are the moderator, when -- I thought -- Ruppert is the
owner and I have been attacking him for his refusal to take up the
evidence
and fight.
Again, more lies. Just meme work. You weren't even pu****ng the no757 at
the
pentagon then.
Dick Eastman Reply: Where were the first lies? I began pu****ng the
"not-the-757" in March 2002, when Dave Bosanke made the enlargement and
"animation" sequencing of the security camera pictures that convinced
both
him and myself and hundreds of others that first month that the killer jet
could not have been the Boeing -- and I invited Ruppert to join in from
that
time!!! It was me and me alone who first put out all over the internet
the
Bosankoe pictures. Quig did not die until mid 2003. Quig was
onvinced -- you can read his last letters in the cia-drugs archives or
the
Quigs-Fight archives to confirm that.
All the Quig letters I put out are in the early months of the Quigs-Fight
Archive, accessible here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Quigs_Fight/
See ya Dick.
[Dick Eastman reply: Am I to assume fro "see ya" that you are again
blocking me from the list? If so, never mind. Every other list will see
it.]
Peace,
Om
K
Also, while I am here -- you have accused me of faking a letter from
Brian
Quig -- I assure you that every letter that I put up in the early
archives
of Quigs_Fight were taken from my mailbox and posted exactly as received
from Brian. You have my word on that.
Ol' friend
----- Original Message -----
From: roadsend@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
cia-drugs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wednesday, August 04, 2004 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [cia-drugs] Fwd: Bogus 9/11 sites and fake films -
muddying
the waters with easily disproved claims - a COINTELPRO effort to discredit
the 9/11 movement?
In a message dated 8/4/04 11:11:23 AM, olfriend@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I do not understand why roadsend and cia-drugs founder Mike Ruppert have
not
given this finding the attention it deserves.
This is real cute use of rhetoric here Dick. Trying to create and lay down
a
false meme for later explotation?
[Eastman Reply: The anwer is no. And I notice that you evade the
admission
that you have indeed never engaged the evidence and that Ruppert, exactly
as
I claim in the sentence above, has avoided dozens of pleas in a dozen
forums
as well as direct mail -- that he either endorse or refute the evidence
compiled.]
CIA-Drugs was first started by a person named Bob, then was run by
larry-jennie untill it imploded through tricks similiar to yours,
webfairy's, "Sean McBride's" and others BS and rhetorical banter.
[ Eastman Reply: I remember Sean McBride -- he was one of the
informative
and fair posters -- he often disagreed with me too -- he was one of the
discussants I missed at cia_drugs who did not go over to Quig -- so you
threw him out to, did you? Webfairy, of course, is notoriously my bitter
opponent more than yours. I have opposed all of there positions because
the
evidence does not sup****t them -- the "whatzit" (just poor resolution),
the hump and side rockets on the South Tower jetliner (just sunlight
reflections gloss dark blue paint of plane); and the holograms (which are
impossible to project, and beyond current technology to get that big --
much less animate through the skies of New York with thousands watching
and
dozens video-tapeing). So don't try to do a guilt by association number
on
me with webfairy -- that is the last thing that will work.]
Then I started a list on one of the new free list servers and Daniel
Hopsicker started one on another free list server. Dan invited many other
researchers to his list, mine was "advertised" on other lists and usenet
sites.
[
Dan's free list server had a limit on their message size and there were
many
that were members of both groups and Dan and I merged our lists. That is
the
history of the CIA-Drugs list on the Internet that I have been inolved
with.
Eastman reply: I did not know this, nor is it relevant -- my point is
that
you reject me and call me a liar, but have never given a critique of the
findings and you blocked my re-subscription -- these are the only claims
I
made and they are true -- so why are you dancing around with this life
story?}
For some reason, the list seems to draw interest from cointelpro-type
operatives, of which you are one Dick. Whether you are paid or no your
effect tis the same.
[Eastman reply: Did I ever tell you that I was once on good terms -- good
mutualconsultation terms -- with Mike Rivero -- and that when I saw the
Bosankoe info back in March 2001 I showed it to Rivero -- who showed
interest and exchanged views for a few days -- then all of a sudden, in
one
famous letter, which I passed around at the time, accused me of being an
agent, cut off contact -- and has refused to engage the evidence or the
findings ever since -- despite the exteme pressure put on him to do so --
and I note that he worked with John Judge in Carol Broulette's People's
Investigation -- always insisting that the Pentagon evidence is not to be
looked at and that the case is closed -- when it is not closed, when if
fact the Pentagon evidence is the ONLY EVIDENCE, that can convict the
Pentagon perpetrators, convincing any impartial jury anyhwere in the
world.
Anyone who has looked at each line of evidence knows this is so. This is
not a false memory -- the photos are ALWAYS available to be called up.
Read the archived letter I am talking about --
Rivero on March 8, 2002 :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frameup/message/254
and
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frameup/message/257
and look how I bend over backwards (way to far I now see) to accomodate
by old hero:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frameup/message/258
===========
It is an interesting false meme. Why?
Eastman reply: I looked back above to see what this implied slander
refers
to, and all that is up there is this: "I do not understand why roadsend
and
cia-drugs founder Mike Ruppert have not given this finding the attention
it
deserves." If that is a false memory planted for a psy-op
counter-intelligence purpose, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE RUPPERT OR
YOURSELF EVER HAVE GIVEN THE SMALL-PLANE FINDING THE ATTENTION IT
ESERVES -- I HAVE NEVER SEEN RUPPERT ON THE SUBJECT -- ALTHOUGH SOME
PEOPLE WHO HAVE CORNERED HIM AT CONFERENCES DO REMEMBER HIM SAYING
PERSONALLY THAT HE DID NOT THINK THE BOEING HIT THE PENTAGON -- BUT THAT
IT
IS TOO HARD TO PROVE ETC. (obviously a statement by me only for those who
know me as an honest man -- Mark Bilk, this came second hand from you I
think, a little help please!) BUT HE HAS NEVER ENGAGED THE MATERIAL. AND
AS FOR YOU, KRIS, JUST FIND THE MESSAGE TO CIA-DRUGS WHERE YOU CRITIQUED
THE SMALL-PLANE THESIS WHILE I WAS THERE -- -- REPRODUCE IT NOW --
CERTAINLY IT WILL FIND NEW READERS, IF IT EXISTS. At least you will
vindicate your own veracity. Right now I don't believe you and I don't
think I am to be alone in not doing so.
I'd like to know if anyone who has read a lot of my posts could possibly
think for a minute that I go about planting false histories ("false
memes")
of events. No one on the internet is more open than I -- tens of
thousands
of messages on newsgroup borads, on e-lists on yahoogroups -- the record
is
there -- and no lies or contradictions have been produced -- with the
ADL,
half of Israel and the top 6 degrees of Freemasonry busting their balls
trying (i.e., lots of people trying.)]
"Sean McBride" tried very hard to float a false meme about the break-up of
the old CIA-Drugs group but too many folks have archives and good memories
of what really happened. "Sean McBride" tried to float the false meme that
discussions about Mossad and drugs, etc were responsible. Sorry, but it is
/was just not true.
[Eastman reply: McBride left after me -- I did not see it and I am not
interested in the history of this list apart from getting out the best 911
evidence to cia-drugs reader****p. I send everything I have to McBride,
but
I don't think he has once sent any reply or any kind of message to me.]
Isn't it funny but when ya get to the bottom line from supposed "enemies"
of eah other, Ol' dickie eastman, Web Fairy and "Sean McBride" they all
have
the same bottom line meme, ie. the Mosaad did it, etc charade.
[Eastman Replies: So you point out a commonality that you think is
operative here? Well I agree! I think that pointing to Mossad is exactly
why you have pigeonholed such dissimilar and disagreeing people together
--
it shows YOUR consistent motivation in each case. Was it Mossad who
invited
Ruppert to all those foreign conferences on Peak Oil -- that made his
calm
down and put his tail between his legs, never following through on the
initial strong show he made when he got to speak to that college audience
and instantluy became "our spokesman" -- no college or group has EVER
invited me to speak -- evern though I had also had good info back then.
Remember, the FRAMEUP group was started to put out my compilation on the
WTC, the financial aspects, the standdown, the prior knowledge, the
suspicious behavior and the history of remote control air disasters ---
back in Oct. 2001
Now, I am not saying that the "Octopus" doesn't use Mossad, etc, nor that
Mossad and friends dont do their own dirty. Just that the "Octopus" is
more
that just that tired canard that just gets wiped away by the political
correct other hand.
[Eastman replies: I never heard of "Octopus" -- I have never used the
erm -- and seeing how you are using the term I must tell you that it
sounds
"fishy" to me.]
But then one finds them working together on agendas and even actions. Hmm
.
But then-
Ain't a-gonna grieve no more, no more
by Bob Dylan
[Eastman replies: And from Bob Dylan lyrics and the use of "Om" to end
each
message we conclude that you are a cool dude actuated by make love and not
war and an honest spirit. I won't venture an opinion on that -- however I
do not that you say Ruppert gets your books sold -- and Ruppert has a
big
operation that lives on donations -- and I suspect that Ruppert gets
donations from Jewish people, and I suspect the Jewish people who donate
big
money to Ruppert are concerned that if Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith,
Gen. Myers etc. at the Pentagon (all Jewish) are implicated in 911 by the
Pentagon evidence that it would be bad for the image of Jews generally and
of Zionism and Israel in particular -- and that Ruppert has not been
unresponsive to this concern from his doners and YOU have not been
unresponsive to Ruppert's sensitivity -- follow the money.
Om.
Dick Eastman
Yakima, Wa****ngton
Every man is responsible to every other man.
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