Juho Julkunen said,
> In article <RYednbiOAsodphjVnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Fred" <>
> says...
> > Freakzilla said,
> >
> > > On Jul 16, 5:53 pm, "Tony" <t...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > > "Freakzilla" <jl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > > If Paul was a master a religious manipulation as mentioned by a
poster
> > > > > above, Paul would be well equipped to stop any Jihad he didn't
approve
> > > > > of. And if it was the Fremen who initiated the Jihad in Paul's
name,
> > > > > wouldn't it
> > > > > be expected to hear an observer comment on this fact in Dune
Messiah?
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > And Paul saw how futile were any efforts of his to change any
smallest
> > > > bit
> > > > of this. He had thought to oppose the jihad within himself, but
the
> > > > jihad would
> > > > be. His legions would rage out from Arrakis even without him. They
> > > > needed only
> > > > the legend he already had become. He had shown them the way, given
> > > > them mastery
> > > > even over the Guild which must have the spice to exist.
> > > >
> > > > Hi Freakzilla,
> > > >
> > > > It's always great to hear from you. :-) Are you saying that a
comment by
> > > > an observer in Dune Messiah about Paul not initiating the Jihad
himself,
> > > > would be superfluous because Paul had a vision of a possible
future with a
> > > > Jihad started without his initiative?
> > >
> > > No, I'm simply saying that Paul DID NOT start the Jihad, it was a
> > > thing destined to be by the Race Consciousness. The only hand that
> > > Paul had in it was giving the Fremen control over the Guild through
> > > the threat of destruction of the spice.
> >
> > Having just finished (just a few hours ago) re-reading Dune, Paul did
what he
> > could to stop the jihad as it was his desire to prevent it. Paul came
to
> > realize that the jihad was going to happen whether he was around or
not.
>
> It might be his desire to avoid it, but it takes a backseat to his
> desires to live, to avenge his father, and to reclaim his position.
>
> At several points Paul enumerates what would be needed to avert the
> Jihad, and every time finds the cost too high. The only action he ever
> takes in an attempt to go against his vision is calling himself "Paul-
> Muad'dib" instead of "Muad'dib". Hurray.
>
> He keeps deluding himself, hoping he could somehow find a way to avert
> the jihad without paying the cost required (and the cost keeps rising
> the longer he delays), and puts it off until he finds himself way past
> the point of no return. Then he justifies his moral cowardice by
> concluding the jihad was inevitable.
Well, being 17 I guess he could delude himself. <g> In my recent reading,
it
appears that when he runs into Gurney, all hell breaks loose. He was
headed to
visit with his family and the next thing we know, he is attacking Arakeen.
I
would say Halleck was a bad influence. <g>
--
Fred
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