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Re: MJ

by Freakzilla <jlkiv@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 16, 2008 at 10:23 AM

On Jul 15, 6:15=A0pm, "Tony" <t...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> "Freakzilla" <jl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>
> <snip>
>
> "That was the terrible choice he had to make in the stilltent with
> Jessica. =A0Turn himself over to the Harkonnens or dupe the fremen into
> thinking he was the messiah and be responsible for the deaths of 61
> billion people. =A0IMO it all boiled down to desire for revenge against
> the Emperor and the Harkonnens for the death of his father, that was
> more im****tant to him."
>
> If Paul was a master a religious manipulation as mentioned by a poster
> above, Paul would be well equipped to stop any Jihad he didn't approve
of=
..
> And if it was the Fremen who initiated the Jihad in Paul's name,
wouldn't=
 it
> be expected to hear an observer comment on this fact in Dune Messiah?

I thought that was covered in Dune:

In a rush of loneliness, Paul glanced around the room, noting how
proper and
on-review his guards had become in his presence. He sensed the subtle,
prideful
competition among them -- each hoping for notice from Muad'Dib.
Muad'Dib from whom all blessings flow, he thought, and it was the
bitterest
thought of his life. They sense that I must take the throne, he
thought. But
they cannot know I do it to prevent the jihad.

=2E..

They're accustomed to seeing the future, Paul thought. In this place
and
time they're blind . . . even as I am. And he sampled the time-winds,
sensing
the turmoil, the storm nexus that now focused on this moment place.
Even the
faint gaps were closed now. Here was the unborn jihad, he knew. Here
was the
race consciousness that he had known once as his own terrible purpose.
Here was
reason enough for a Kwisatz Haderach or a Lisan al-Gaib or even the
halting
schemes of the Bene Gesserit. The race of humans had felt its own
dormancy,
sensed itself grown stale and knew now only the need to experience
turmoil in
which the genes would mingle and the strong new mixtures survive. All
humans
were alive as an unconscious single organism in this moment,
experiencing a kind
of ***ual heat that could override any barrier.
And Paul saw how futile were any efforts of his to change any smallest
bit
of this. He had thought to oppose the jihad within himself, but the
jihad would
be. His legions would rage out from Arrakis even without him. They
needed only
the legend he already had become. He had shown them the way, given
them mastery
even over the Guild which must have the spice to exist.
 




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"Tony" <tony  2008-07-09 18:53:13 
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Wild Monkshood <Wild_M  2008-07-09 19:29:52 
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"Tony" <tony  2008-07-10 19:51:13 
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Wild Monkshood <Wild_M  2008-07-10 19:53:49 
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"Tony" <tony  2008-07-10 20:12:21 
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Wild Monkshood <Wild_M  2008-07-10 20:30:47 
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"Tony" <tony  2008-07-10 20:55:07 
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Wild Monkshood <Wild_M  2008-07-10 21:46:37 
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"Tony" <tony  2008-07-11 05:17:33 
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Stoned in Arrakeen <si  2008-07-11 14:25:54 
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Wild Monkshood <Wild_M  2008-07-11 10:14:12 
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Wild Monkshood <Wild_M  2008-07-11 10:11:49 
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"Tony" <tony  2008-07-14 10:02:44 
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Wild Monkshood <Wild_M  2008-07-14 14:30:08 
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"Tony" <tony  2008-07-14 16:17:49 
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Freakzilla <jlkiv@[EMA  2008-07-14 13:01:14 
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"Tony" <tony  2008-07-14 16:26:20 
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Wild Monkshood <Wild_M  2008-07-14 19:21:22 
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Freakzilla <jlkiv@[EMA  2008-07-14 14:28:00 
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"Tony" <tony  2008-07-14 18:05:56 
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Freakzilla <jlkiv@[EMA  2008-07-15 08:33:45 
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Wild Monkshood <Wild_M  2008-07-15 12:15:30 
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Wild Monkshood <Wild_M  2008-07-15 12:22:09 
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Freakzilla <jlkiv@[EMA  2008-07-15 14:41:08 
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"Tony" <tony  2008-07-15 18:15:10 
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Wild Monkshood <Wild_M  2008-07-15 18:32:59 
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"Tony" <tony  2008-07-15 18:50:07 
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Wild Monkshood <Wild_M  2008-07-15 19:38:54 
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"Tony" <tony  2008-07-16 04:30:53 
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Wild Monkshood <Wild_M  2008-07-16 09:38:27 
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"Tony" <tony  2008-07-16 17:56:40 
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"Spicelon" <  2008-07-22 07:09:13 
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Freakzilla <jlkiv@[EMA  2008-07-16 10:23:54 
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"Tony" <tony  2008-07-16 17:53:45 
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Freakzilla <jlkiv@[EMA  2008-07-16 10:29:56 
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Wild Monkshood <Wild_M  2008-07-16 15:31:07 
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Wild Monkshood <Wild_M  2008-07-16 15:40:35 
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Freakzilla <jlkiv@[EMA  2008-07-16 14:52:40 
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Wild Monkshood <Wild_M  2008-07-16 18:19:40 
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Wild Monkshood <Wild_M  2008-07-16 23:16:40 
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Freakzilla <jlkiv@[EMA  2008-07-21 14:12:11 
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Wild Monkshood <Wild_M  2008-07-21 17:59:48 
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Freakzilla <jlkiv@[EMA  2008-07-21 14:15:04 
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"Tony" <tony  2008-07-21 18:07:24 
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"Fred" <>  2008-07-21 20:44:32 
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Juho Julkunen <giaotan  2008-07-23 00:09:55 
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"Fred" <>  2008-07-23 00:03:45 
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Freakzilla <jlkiv@[EMA  2008-07-22 08:50:32 
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Juho Julkunen <giaotan  2008-07-23 00:12:45 
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Freakzilla <jlkiv@[EMA  2008-07-22 15:48:02 

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