<Fred> wrote in message
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>I found this on the Wikipedia. As it was originally posted on this forum,
I
>would
> think it would be considered a re-post. <g>
>
> Message from discussion Dune Encyclopedia reprint?? No? Yes?
>
>
> From: wmcne...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Willis E. McNelly)
> Subject: Re: Dune Encyclopedia reprint?? No? Yes?
> Date: 2000/12/02
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> In article <3A24C6E7.CA4B4...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Niall Young
> <ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> "M. Marston" wrote:
>> >
>> > >Niall Young wrote:
>> >
>> > >> And if not, maybe Dr McNelly and his publisher wouldn't be too
>> > >> afraid
>> > >> of opening it up for the community and allowing fans to transcribe
>> > >> and
>> > >> distribute it on the Net?
>> >
>> > This "debate" over the net transcription of the D.E. was going
through
>> > its
>> > death throes when I first came back and crops up here from time to
>> > time.
>> > But the discussion has only nominal Dune-related merit and belongs on
>> > some
>> > other newsgroup that deals more with copyright issues.
>>
>> Fair enough, I was never here for previous "debate"s, it was a genuine
>> suggestion.
>>
>> > Dr. McNelly has read, and maybe still reads, the newsgroup and knows
>> > about
>> > this push to put the Encyclopedia on the net. I am sure if anything
>> > changes
>> > regarding this issue Dr. McNelly will let us know. But I wouldn't
hold
>> > your
>> > breath.
>>
>> Well in the end it comes down to this - is there any financial gain to
be
>> had from reprinting it. If yes, reprint, if no (in my opinion) it
should
>> be donated to the public domain. It's too rare a work to just
disappear
>> into obscurity.
>>
>> I neither own nor have seen the DE, hence my interest. If I did own
it,
>> I would personally transcribe it, amongst other works, for my own
>> fair-use
>> to aid in quote-searching and indexing. Being able to grep for every
>> instance of "sandworm" for instance ;-) would be extremely useful. The
>> logical extension to this would be a markup language to delineate the
>> narrator and different characters and text-to-speech synthesis (with
>> author's speech patterns as plugins), but I digress..
>>
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>> ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> --
>> ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>
> Yes I do read the news group regularly. So you can now exhale.
>
> Odd as it sounds, I am not repeat NOT interested in any financial gain
> from reprinting the DE. I would like to see it in print again because I
am
> proud of the work done by my many contributors to the volume as well as
of
> the vast amount of material it adds to the Arrakeen saga. Should it
come
> out in, say, a Japanese edition, I would of course be delighted for any
> royalties, but that is not even a remote possibility, so I do not even
> think about it.
>
> Yet I cannot and will not, even if I wished to do so, grant permission
for
> anyone to post any and/or all of the book on the net. The basic
copyright
> for all Dune related materials is owned by the Herbert Estate, now the
> Herbert Limited Trust as I recall. When the DE was being considered,
> Berkley/Putnam paid FH a four figure sum for the rights to use the
> materials of the first four books in the DE. The DE was copyrighted, as
> is required by law, in my name, and while a considerable amount of
> material was "new" in the DE (stories about all of the art, poetry,
drama
> and so on of the Imperium, to name only a few examples) the FH estate
> still owns the basic copyright and safeguards it zealously - as would
> anyone presiding over a virtual cash cow. I may "own" the copyright to
> the new material, but even that is problematic and debatable, under the
> principles of secondary copyright, because the new material would not
have
> been copyrighted but for the prior Dune material.
>
> This I cannot, ethically, legally, or morally or even practically permit
> anyone to use anything from the DE unless prior permission is granted by
> the FH estate. And that is as likely as finding open water on Arrakis.
>
> And I strongly - VERY strongly - suggest that you do not risk the wrath
> of FH's attorneys in using any of this material in a way not permitted
by
> the current copyright laws. Frankly, I know of no one in the a.f.d.
group
> who has the money to defend him/her self against a lawsuit. I know
> whereof I speak.
>
> "I am constantly amazed at the infinite capacity of the human mind to
> withstand the introduction of knowledge." Woodrow Wilson
>
>
> --
> Fred
Thanks Fred. Willis spoke a lot about the subject in the newsgroup. He
knew
he had only a secondary copyright. However, he didn't want the HLP taking
his original ideas and putting them in the sequels and prequels.
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