Darwi wrote:
>>>My opinion is that F. Herbert did not wished to include the
>>>monotheistic God (the God) in his writing simply because one can not
>>>have interesting and tense story with omniscient, omnipotent,
>>>omnipresent, omnibenevolent main character.
>>
>> Well, there were people who believed in what you are calling
"The God"
>>in Dune ref. the Orange Catholic Bible, but it was not a main component.
>>I also believe that FH was likely, like his Bene Gesserit, essentially
>>atheist or agnostic, although I really have nothing to back that up. I
>>feel he didn't include that character as it would be like having the
>>Easter Bunny as a B.G. Acolyte. Although FH doesn't include the
>>traditional "Guiding/Creating" God, he does reference a "higher plan"
>>and the sense that there might be something, other than the described
>>characters/groups guiding or influencing things.
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>
> Yeah, and he mentioned that "higher plan" because it fits the story.
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>> with such character as
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>>>sup****ting character you can have a story (remember Q from Star Trek),
>>>but not as main character. Unless you limit him/her in some way. But
>>>if you do limit the God than it is not the God anymore. So F. Herbert
>>>did gave different views about the God and the religion in his
>>>stories, because he was describing the human nature. I clearly
>>>remember that Chani never thought that Paul was the God nor a god
>>>(polytheistic one). She knew he has some strange qualities, but for
>>>her he never was a or the god. Same was with Leto II, not a single
>>>Bene Gesserit reverent mother considered him a god and definitely not
>>>the God. On the other hand, Fish Speakers did. But their opinion did
>>>not made him the God.
>>
>> I think this is what makes GEoD such an interesting read. We,
the
>>reader, are in on Leto II's "true" nature, even as we watch the reaction
>>to his "Godhood" in those around him, especially Nayla and Moneo, who
>>should have know better.
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> Of course it does. F. Herbert is, to my knowledge, only SF author who
> applies so much knowledge about human psychology into his characters.
> For me that really makes all his work more interesting.
>
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>>>be forced to believe strangest things. After all, even today you have
>>>people which believe that computer or Elvis is god. But every one of
>>>them, including a computer or Elvis can be declared gods in
>>>polytheistic sense.
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>> Indeed, there are still people who believe in the Christian God,
even
>>given the improbable stories and effects laid down the the Bible. Not to
>>mention all the other improbable offshoots or original
>>gods/demons/controllers/creators, most who seem to have been
>>active/visible in earlier times, but who, for now, seem to be happy to
>>be invisible.
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> Ok, I got it. You're not Christian.
I never said that.
WM
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> The faith in something which is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent,
> omnibenevolent can be and will be argued and contra-argued as long as
> we human exist, as long as we exist way we exist now. Just I wished
> to made point that believing that a computer is a god, Elvis Presley
> is a god, or similar person or object is only acceptable to be
> mentioned as a joke, in my opinion, simply because it can be proved
> that they are not.
>
> But it is the fact that you have a humans who are ready to believe
> that. And their believe is not in any way less or insignificant. It is
> in the way the exactly the same sentiment the hard core Atheists,
> Buddhists, Christians, Muslims, etc. have.( I mentioned atheists as
> well because the believe that the God does not exist is believe
> itself. There is no scientific prove for or against. So atheists are
> believers too.)
>
> and that's why F. Herbert introduced that into his books. to describe
> that religious feeling and what people are ready to do because of it.
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>>WM
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