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Re: Dune thinking

by Emerald <elfmailwithoutspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Dec 14, 2007 at 07:44 PM

In article <ubidnUUpY8e0gf7anZ2dnUVZ_sOrnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
 "Tony" <tony@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> "Dan Cline" <paul_leto@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
> news:a12d5bad-b22b-4efa-90c5-244cb37f0a61@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Dec 13, 4:10 pm, "Tony" <t...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> > It didn't bother me, though sometimes there was an awefull lot of
it.
> >>
> >> Do you think that it was an excellent way to depict thinking in a
science
> >> fiction novel?
> >
> > There is a theory that states "without language there would be no
> > thought".
> 
> Hi Dan.  I wonder if you mean the Sapir-Worf hypothesis.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapir-Whorf_hypothesis

This one pretty well hits the mark--oops, don't mean to be answering for 
the OP--and also there is the simpler idea of needing symbolic logic to 
have places to hang one's memories and organize one's experiences into 
patterns (sort of Piagetian thinking, and others.) 
> 
> > I don't subscribe entirely to this idea, but I do a lot of
> > my thinking in sentences. I also remember watching a do***entary on
> > feral children who were never socialized and could not speak. They had
> > black shadows in areas of the brain that normal people have active.
> > Basically they were brain dead because of a lack of language.
> 
> How might Frank Herbert depict the thoughts of such children?  I wonder.
. .

If he's as bright as he apperars to be, it wou;d have to be a combin 
ation of pictures and bodily sensations/movements.  Ever watch an animal 
problem solve?  They act the situation out.  That's got to be a similar 
phenomenon to a humans prelingual thinking.  
> >
> > I love that Frank Herbert used italics to show the thoughts,
> > especially when the character did not act on what they were thinking,
> > or said something different than what they thought.
> >
> You mention a very interesting point here.  I suppose that nonverbal 
> thinking could be depicted in a novel by a narrative  description of a 
> character's behavior, e.g., their eye movements, facial expressions and
body 
> language. 

Anyway, I also like FH's use of passages in italics to indicate the 
private thoughts of characters.  It's much less ***bersome for the 
reader that using the third person.  Come to think of it, though, there 
are excellent writers who don't reveal their characters internal dialog 
at all--Agatha Christie comes to mind. 

--
Emerald
 




 10 Posts in Topic:
Dune thinking
"Tony" <tony  2007-12-11 17:45:20 
Re: Dune thinking
Freakzilla <jlkiv@[EMA  2007-12-11 15:25:22 
Re: Dune thinking
"Tony" <tony  2007-12-13 19:10:15 
Re: Dune thinking
"Sandusky" <  2007-12-13 16:01:55 
Re: Dune thinking
Dan Cline <paul_leto@[  2007-12-14 15:12:08 
Re: Dune thinking
"Tony" <tony  2007-12-14 19:13:28 
Re: Dune thinking
Emerald <elfmailwithou  2007-12-14 19:44:14 
Re: Dune thinking
Dan Cline <paul_leto@[  2007-12-15 09:10:46 
Re: Dune thinking
"Tony" <tony  2007-12-17 11:32:43 
Re: Dune thinking
Freakzilla <jlkiv@[EMA  2007-12-18 05:09:33 

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