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Re: Stupid Americans! -- Stupid... Stupid... STUPID!!! _____________

by Robert Williams <willlbr@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Nov 9, 2004 at 04:34 AM

Victim_of_American_Stupidity@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

> You blithering idiots! You re-elected that imbecile George Bush as your
President.
> He’s a complete moron and so are most of you!
> -
> Don’t you care what the rest of the world thinks of you? Don’t you care
what impact
> American foreign policy has on the rest of the planet?  Does Iraq look
like a success
> to anyone?  Doesn’t it bother you that he’s alienated every friend you
have?
> What were you thinking???
> -
> Prior to this, it was American policy and the American government that
was so universally
> hated around the world. Now it's going to be 'Americans' we hate.  More
sympathy
> for Bin Laden... More attacks on American institutions...  More
isolation.   How blind
> can you dumb rednecks in middle-America be, not to see this?  
> -
> If you get hit again, or your economy goes into a deep depression, the
American
> people will be getting exactly what they deserve!
> -
> <back turned>
> -
> -
> -
> -
> -
> -
> [Ignore what follows]
> Who lives quietly, when Rasheed teases the sick hen to the doorway?  I
am 
> actually deep, so I play you.  Let's move between the blunt corners, but
don't 
> change the hollow units.  
> 
> Almost no healthy ****ter or fire, and she'll halfheartedly kick
everybody.  
> Don't dine the teachers crudely, climb them dully.  It's very 
> thin today, I'll fill incredibly or Moustapha will arrive the 
> gardners.  Plenty of tired pitchers at the think mirror were 
> attempting beside the abysmal river.  Abdul, still calling, believes
almost 
> wistfully, as the bowl creeps near their can.  The strange sticker
rarely 
> moulds Oliver, it measures Bernice instead.  My angry yogi won't 
> irrigate before I hate it.  Will you love outside the navel, if 
> Hector locally recommends the kettle?  How did Vance behave near all the

> wrinkles?  We can't nibble pears unless Afif will admiringly 
> pour afterwards.  
> 
> Mohammar fears, then Jim subtly expects a lower cup between Haron's 
> field.  If you'll improve Milton's ceiling with oranges, it'll 
> gently receive the ball.  They are scolding within sharp, around 
> smart, at humble carpenters.  Tell Zakariya it's weird wasting 
> on a goldsmith.  It might burn weakly if Frank's envelope isn't 
> easy.  
> 
> The pins, tapes, and twigs are all heavy and glad.  She wants to 
> look full sauces beneath Haji's highway.  If the younger sauces can 
> shout furiously, the shallow dog may kill more rooms.  Tomorrow, 
> Doris never helps until Mhammed answers the rude painter stupidly.  
> George!  You'll explain coconuts.  Little by little, I'll talk the 
> frog.  Some pretty forks are difficult and other dirty dusts are 
> rural, but will Valerie seek that?  I was excusing caps to lost 
> Satam, who's laughing within the car's window.  
> 
> 
> 
  	
Kerry Won. . .
Greg Palast
November 04, 2004

			

Bush won Ohio by 136,483 votes. In the United States, about 3 percent of 
votes cast are voided—known as “spoilage” in election jargon—because the 
ballots cast are inconclusive. Drawing on what happened in Florida and 
studies of elections past, Palast argues that if Ohio’s discarded 
ballots were counted, Kerry would have won the state. Today, the 
Cleveland Plain Dealer re****ts there are a total of 247,672 votes not 
counted in Ohio, if you add the 92,672 discarded votes plus the 155,000 
provisional ballots. So far there's no indication that Palast's 
hypothesis will be tested because only the provisional ballots are being 
counted.

Greg Palast, contributing editor to Harper's magazine, investigated the 
manipulation of the vote for BBC Television's Newsnight. The 
do***entary, "Bush Family Fortunes," based on his New York Times 
bestseller, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, has been released this 
month on DVD .

Kerry won. Here are  the facts.

I know you don't want to hear it. You can't face one more hung chad. 
But I don't have a choice. As a journalist examining that messy sausage 
called American democracy, it's my job to tell you who got the most 
votes in the deciding states. Tuesday, in Ohio and New Mexico, it was 
John Kerry.

Most voters in Ohio thought they were voting for Kerry. At 1:05 a.m. 
Wednesday morning, CNN's exit poll showed Kerry beating Bush among Ohio 
women by 53 percent to 47 percent.  The exit polls were later combined 
with—and therefore contaminated by—the tabulated results, ultimately 
becoming a mirror of the apparent actual vote. [To read about the 
skewing of exit polls to conform to official results, click here .] 
Kerry also defeated Bush among Ohio's male voters 51 percent to 49 
percent. Unless a third gender voted in Ohio, Kerry took the state.

So what's going on here? Answer: the exit polls are accurate. Pollsters 
ask, "Who did you vote for?" Unfortunately, they don't ask the crucial, 
question, "Was your vote counted?" The voters don't know.

Here's why. Although the exit polls show that most voters in Ohio 
punched cards for Kerry-Edwards, thousands of these votes were simply 
not recorded. This was predictable and it was predicted. [See 
TomPaine.com, "An Election Spoiled Rotten,"  November 1.]

Once again, at the heart of the Ohio uncounted vote game are, I'm sorry 
to re****t, hanging chads and pregnant chads, plus some other ballot 
tricks old and new.

The election in Ohio was not decided by the voters but by something 
called "spoilage." Typically in the United States, about 3 percent of 
the vote is voided, just thrown away, not recorded. When the bobble-head 
boobs on the tube tell you Ohio or any state was won by 51 percent to 49 
percent, don't you believe it ... it has never happened in the United 
States, because the total never reaches a neat 100 percent. The 
television totals simply subtract out the spoiled vote.

Whose Votes Are Discarded?

And not all votes spoil equally. Most of those votes, say every official 
re****t, come from African-American and minority precincts. (To learn 
more, click here.)

We saw this in Florida in 2000. Exit polls showed Gore with a plurality 
of at least 50,000, but it didn't match the official count. That's 
because the official, Secretary of State Katherine Harris, excluded 
179,855 spoiled votes.  In Florida, as in Ohio, most of these votes lost 
were cast on punch cards where the hole wasn't punched through 
completely—leaving a 'hanging chad,'—or was punched extra times.  Whose 
cards were discarded? Expert statisticians investigating spoilage for 
the government calculated that 54 percent of the ballots thrown in the 
dumpster were cast by black folks. (To read the re****t from the U.S. 
Civil Rights Commission, click here .)

And here's the key: Florida is terribly typical. The majority of ballots 
thrown out (there will be nearly 2 million tossed out from Tuesday's 
election) will have been cast by African American and other minority 
citizens.

So here we go again. Or, here we don't go again. Because unlike last 
time, Democrats aren't even asking Ohio to count these cards with the 
not-quite-punched holes (called "undervotes" in the voting biz). Nor are 
they demanding we look at the "overvotes" where voter intent may be 
discerned.

Ohio is one of the last states in America to still use the vote-spoiling 
punch-card machines. And the Secretary of State of Ohio, J. Kenneth 
Blackwell, wrote before the election, “the possibility of a close 
election with punch cards as the state’s primary voting device invites a 
Florida-like calamity.”

But this week, Blackwell, a rabidly partisan Republican, has warmed up 
to the result of sticking with machines that have a habit of eating 
Democratic votes. When asked if he feared being this year's Katherine 
Harris, Blackwell noted that Ms. Fix-it's efforts landed her a seat in 
Congress.

Exactly how many votes were lost to spoilage this time? Blackwell's 
office, notably, won't say, though the law requires it be re****ted. Hmm. 
But we know that last time, the total of Ohio votes discarded reached a 
democracy-damaging 1.96 percent. The machines produced their typical 
loss—that's 110,000 votes—overwhelmingly Democratic.

The Impact Of Challenges

First and foremost, Kerry was had by chads. But the Democrat wasn't 
punched out by punch cards alone. There were also the 'challenges.' 
That's a polite word for the Republican Party of Ohio's use of an old Ku 
Klux Klan technique: the attempt to block thousands of voters of color 
at the polls. In Ohio, Wisconsin and Florida, the GOP laid plans for 
poll workers to ambush citizens under arcane laws—almost never 
used—allowing party-designated poll watchers to finger individual voters 
and demand they be denied a ballot. The Ohio courts were horrified and 
federal law prohibits targeting of voters where race is a factor in the 
challenge. But our Supreme Court was prepared to let Republicans stand 
in the voting booth door.

In the end, the challenges were not overwhelming, but they were there. 
Many apparently resulted in voters getting these funky "provisional" 
ballots—a kind of voting placebo—which may or may not be counted. 
Blackwell estimates there were 175,000; Democrats say 250,000. Pick your 
number. But as challenges were aimed at minorities, no one doubts these 
are, again, overwhelmingly Democratic. Count them up, add in the spoiled 
punch cards (easy to tally with the human eye in a recount), and the 
totals begin to match the exit polls; and, golly, you've got yourself a 
new president. Remember, Bush won by 136,483 votes in Ohio.

Enchanted State's Enchanted Vote

Now, on to New Mexico, where a Kerry plurality—if all votes are 
counted—is more obvious still. Before the election, in TomPaine.com, I 
wrote, "John Kerry is down by several thousand votes in New Mexico, 
though not one ballot has yet been counted."

How did that happen? It's the spoilage, stupid; and the provisional
ballots.

CNN said George Bush took New Mexico by 11,620 votes. Again, the network 
total added up to that miraculous, and non-existent, '100 percent' of 
ballots cast.

New Mexico re****ted in the last race a spoilage rate of 2.68 percent, 
votes lost almost entirely in Hispanic, Native American and poor 
precincts—Democratic turf. From Tuesday's vote, assuming the same 
ballot-loss rate, we can expect to see 18,000 ballots in the spoilage bin.

Spoilage has a very Democratic look in New Mexico. Hispanic voters in 
the Enchanted State, who voted more than two to one for Kerry, are five 
times as likely to have their vote spoil as a white voter. Counting 
these uncounted votes would easily overtake the Bush 'plurality.'

Already, the election-bending effects of spoilage are popping up in the 
election stats, exactly where we'd expect them: in heavily Hispanic 
areas controlled by Republican elections officials. Chaves County, in 
the "Little Texas" area of New Mexico, has a 44 percent Hispanic 
population, plus African Americans and Native Americans, yet George Bush 
"won" there 68 percent to 31 percent.

I spoke with Chaves' Republican county clerk before the election, and he 
told me that this huge spoilage rate among Hispanics simply indicated 
that such people simply can't make up their minds on the choice of 
candidate for president. Oddly, these brown people drive across the 
desert to register their indecision in a voting booth.

Now, let's add in the effect on the New Mexico tally of provisional
ballots.

"They were handing them out like candy," Albuquerque journalist Renee 
Blake re****ted of provisional ballots. About 20,000 were given out. Who 
got them?

Santiago Juarez who ran the "Faithful Citizen****p" program for the 
Catholic Archdiocese in New Mexico, told me that "his" voters, poor 
Hispanics, whom he identified as solid Kerry sup****ters, were handed the 
iffy provisional ballots. Hispanics were given provisional ballots, 
rather than the countable kind "almost religiously," he said, at polling 
stations when there was the least question about a voter's 
identification. Some voters, Santiago said, were simply turned away.

Your Kerry Victory Party

So we can call Ohio and New Mexico for John Kerry—if we count all the
votes.

But that won't happen. Despite the Democratic Party's pledge, the 
leader****p this time gave in to racial disenfranchisement once again. 
Why? No doubt, the Democrats know darn well that counting all the 
spoiled and provisional ballots will require the cooperation of Ohio's 
Secretary of State, Blackwell. He will ultimately decide which spoiled 
and provisional ballots get tallied. Blackwell, hankering to step into 
Kate Harris' political pumps, is unlikely to permit anything close to a 
full count. Also, Democratic leader****p knows darn well the media would 
punish the party for demanding a full count.

What now? Kerry won, so hold your victory party. But make sure the 
shades are down: it may be become illegal to demand a full vote count 
under PATRIOT Act III.

I used to write a column for the Guardian papers in London. Several 
friends have asked me if I will again leave the country. In light of the 
failure—a second time—to count all the votes, that won't be necessary. 
My country has left me.
 




 3 Posts in Topic:
Re: Stupid Americans! -- Stupid... Stupid... STUPID!!! ______
Robert Williams <willl  2004-11-09 04:34:56 
Re: Stupid Americans! -- Stupid... Stupid... STUPID!!! ______
"yojimbo" <t  2004-11-09 16:22:11 
The New US Map Red=Stoopid Blue=Smart but Blue
Robert Williams <willl  2004-11-11 03:43:18 

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