On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 18:15:12 -0500, "Earl Ross" <bubbaib@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>Boom, you have to look. This gentleman is Canadian. No real military so
to
>speak. And with his logic, you would wait until after a threat to
national
>security was made before putting together a military.
>
>Let me clarify something from history. In WWII, Japan signed a surrender
>ending the war with them. Part of that treaty called for them to never
>again have enough military forces to launch attacks on other countries,
only
>to defend their borders. They kept to that agreement. If they hadn't,
the
>US and its allies would have continued to bomb them back to the stone
age.
>
>After Desert Storm, which I volunteered to serve, a treaty was signed
ending
>the war. Part of that treaty stated that there was a very limited
airspace
>in which the Iraqi military could fly. This was signed by all countries
>including Iraq. If they did not keep to that agreement, the US and
>coalition nations had every right and responsibility to bomb their asses
>back to the stone age (approximately a week back in time in some cases).
>Unfortunately, the Clinton administration failed to act severely after
>several incidents. They also allowed Iraq to delay the UN inspectors
from
>inspecting anything. Here's the deal folks, they lost. Even though it
is
>their country, they have a responsibility to maintain good order and
>discipline in their country, and to keep to any agreements made. Pretty
>much, the world population as a whole has said, "Iraq is a threat, and we
>have a responsibility to all the world's citizens to decrease that
threat.
>
>Here is a simple solution. Iraqis that want to deal with the world's
>population like adults, feel free to come out and play and make friends
and
>feel welcome to share your culture and philosophy and art. Those that
are
>xenophobic and can't grasp that their way isn't the only way, stay inside
>your borders, conduct your business and life as you see fit THERE. Do
not
>cross the borders, travel, nor interfere in anyone else's lives. We can
>respect that.
>
>I harbor no ill will towards the Iraqis in general. Most people in any
>given country are happy just to live their lives in peace, raise their
>families, and not start a bunch of crap with others. Unfortunately, it
is
>the few that are out there that decide to foist their beliefs on others
that
>mess it up for everyone. It wasn't right during the Crusades and it is
not
>right now.
>
>Just food for thought.
>
>bubbaib
Again , well said . My hat's off to you.
Woody
>"Boom" <mmm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 10:01:17 GMT, tomstdenis@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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>>>It's getting a bit tiresome seeing one misguided American after another
>>>with
>>>their cutsie little yellow or red-white-blue ribbons on their outsized
>>>SUVs.
>>>Yeah, I guess it's the thing to do; maybe part of that whole soccer-mom
>>>culture. Unfortunately, the only thing they demonstrate is that the
person
>>>behind the wheel is a clueless, gullible, misguided, nitwit.
>>>
>>>If foreign invaders landed on our soil, as we have done in Iraq, I
would
>>>be
>>>the first one to take up arms and repel them. (I suppose that would
make
>>>me
>>>an 'insurgent' by OUR logic.) This, and other aggressive governments
have
>>>always done their utmost to make it APPEAR as if committing yourself to
>>>kill
>>>in feuds on distant shores that have nothing to do with the welfare of
the
>>>citizenry is somehow patriotic.
>>>
>>>It is not.
>>>
>>>Enlisting in the armed forces, in the absence of a real and impending
>>>foreign threat, is no different that hiring yourself as a paid assassin
.
>>>.
>>>the only difference is, you're not getting paid enough. But let's take
a
>>>realistic look at exactly WHO joins up in an all-volunteer army.
>>>
>>>The first group are those who join (during peacetime) for the benefits:
to
>>>get an education, or because it seems a reasonable career path.
Consider
>>>carefully! Realize that you are gambling with your humanity. Once you
sign
>>>that form, you sign away your right to say: "No, that is an atrocity."
You
>>>put your abilities, including the ability to kill, at the disposal of
>>>proven
>>>liars, psychopaths . . . enemies of humanity. Do you think that every
>>>German
>>>soldier in World War II who helped load Jews into cattle cars was a
>>>cold-blooded killer? Most were poor kids, just like you, who got caught
up
>>>in the patriotic frenzy. Once you're in, you're IN. You lose the
ability
>>>to
>>>stop killing until they tell you so. This not only makes you less than
>>>human, it makes you less than an animal, for even the animals retain
their
>>>freedom of self determination.
>>>
>>>The second group are the simple minded, who fall for patriotic
entreaties
>>>about defending democracy, Mom, apple pie; in other words, all the
>>>traditional government propaganda. Do you think Soviet lads subjugated
>>>their
>>>neighbors throughout the world because they thought the Soviet Union
was
>>>an
>>>EVIL empire? No, they were fighting for MOM, and whatever passes for
apple
>>>pie in Russia. Step back and examine the lies your government is
handing
>>>you, and ask yourself if they have the ring of truth. Do you want to be
>>>one
>>>of the murderers in uniform who opened up on their fellow citizens at
Kent
>>>State? When you put on that uniform, you give up all autonomy, and
become
>>>nothing more than a weapon, to be used for whatever evil purposes the
>>>scoundrels in government demand (and, if you look carefully, you will
>>>discover that the only interests THEY serve are those of the big
>>>businesses
>>>that own them.)
>>>
>>>Finally, you have the hard-core psychopaths. These are the people who
WANT
>>>to kill. Murder, torture, rape; THESE are the American values upon
which
>>>THIS group is focused. The cause doesn't matter, they're after the
thrill
>>>that only warfare can provide.
>>>
>>>Just remember: killing for George W. Bush, or for George H.W. Bush, or
for
>>>Lyndon B. Johnson, or for Richard M. Nixon is not the same as defending
>>>yourself, your family, your friends, or your country. Don't be a dupe.
>>>Don't
>>>Enlist!
>>>
>>>Remember -- sup****ting the troops means sup****ting Bush aggression,
>>>profiteering, and war crimes. Here's an idea: why not take those
ribbons,
>>>dip them in blood, and mail them to the White House?
>>
>> ZZZZZZZ...ZZZZZZZ...ZZZZ...er...did someone say something stupid?
>>
>> Yes, dip ribbons in blood, send them to the White House, then get a
>> lawyer because you will need one when the Secret Service comes to your
>> house and arrests you for sending threatening mail to the President.
>> Dumbass.
>>
>> Hey douchebag, what makes you think you have a corner on the truth? I
>> don't like our guys getting shot any more than you do, but I'd go to
>> Iraq and serve my country and take a few iraqi terrorists out myself
>> if I wasn't too old to serve. I guess it's OK for Saddam to send cash
>> awards to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers as incentive for
>> them to blow bombs off and kill women and children riding buses and
>> eating pizza. I guess it's OK for Saddam to gas his own people using
>> the weapons of mass destruction that pussies like you claim he never
>> had. I guess it's OK for him to tell UN inspectors to **** off until
>> he's had a chance to move all his WMD operations out of the country.
>> Saddam has ties to terrorism all over the world, and if not Al-qaeda
>> directly, with the PLO and Syria. Oh, and many of your ***** liberal
>> politicians were in complete agreement with Bush sending troops over
>> there and were quite happy to send troops over there to get shot at
>> and die until it was election time.
>>
>> Ever think that maybe a lot of the people there think that Bush was
>> right to send them and they're glad to be serving their country, even
>> if they're not happy about getting shot at? Oh, I forgot...they
>> can't, because you said they can't. And I hope you rot in hell for
>> comparing our fighting men and women to Nazis. Go **** yourself.
>> ****ing college student idiot. You make me puke.
>>
>> I'm getting goddamn good and sick of hearing how evil we are by our
>> own ****ing citizenry. There's not a more charitable country on earth
>> than the US, and it makes me sick that US citizens compare us to Nazis
>> and communists. You know what? You don't like it, the US
>> Constitution guarantees you the right to form a militia and take arms
>> against this "injustice." Just don't be surprised when you get shot
>> by a real American who's as disgusted by your bull**** as I am, you
>> ****ing whining *****!
>>
>> I guess I'll be forever ostracized from alt.fan.devo for this rant,
>> but it's time you liberal de-evolutionists heard a little bit from a
>> Devo fan who's not scared to disagree with Jerry Casale.
>>
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