Boom, you have to look. This gentleman is Canadian. No real military so
to
speak. And with his logic, you would wait until after a threat to
national
security was made before putting together a military.
Let me clarify something from history. In WWII, Japan signed a surrender
ending the war with them. Part of that treaty called for them to never
again have enough military forces to launch attacks on other countries,
only
to defend their borders. They kept to that agreement. If they hadn't,
the
US and its allies would have continued to bomb them back to the stone age.
After Desert Storm, which I volunteered to serve, a treaty was signed
ending
the war. Part of that treaty stated that there was a very limited
airspace
in which the Iraqi military could fly. This was signed by all countries
including Iraq. If they did not keep to that agreement, the US and
coalition nations had every right and responsibility to bomb their asses
back to the stone age (approximately a week back in time in some cases).
Unfortunately, the Clinton administration failed to act severely after
several incidents. They also allowed Iraq to delay the UN inspectors from
inspecting anything. Here's the deal folks, they lost. Even though it is
their country, they have a responsibility to maintain good order and
discipline in their country, and to keep to any agreements made. Pretty
much, the world population as a whole has said, "Iraq is a threat, and we
have a responsibility to all the world's citizens to decrease that threat.
Here is a simple solution. Iraqis that want to deal with the world's
population like adults, feel free to come out and play and make friends
and
feel welcome to share your culture and philosophy and art. Those that are
xenophobic and can't grasp that their way isn't the only way, stay inside
your borders, conduct your business and life as you see fit THERE. Do not
cross the borders, travel, nor interfere in anyone else's lives. We can
respect that.
I harbor no ill will towards the Iraqis in general. Most people in any
given country are happy just to live their lives in peace, raise their
families, and not start a bunch of crap with others. Unfortunately, it is
the few that are out there that decide to foist their beliefs on others
that
mess it up for everyone. It wasn't right during the Crusades and it is
not
right now.
Just food for thought.
bubbaib
"Boom" <mmm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 10:01:17 GMT, tomstdenis@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>It's getting a bit tiresome seeing one misguided American after another
>>with
>>their cutsie little yellow or red-white-blue ribbons on their outsized
>>SUVs.
>>Yeah, I guess it's the thing to do; maybe part of that whole soccer-mom
>>culture. Unfortunately, the only thing they demonstrate is that the
person
>>behind the wheel is a clueless, gullible, misguided, nitwit.
>>
>>If foreign invaders landed on our soil, as we have done in Iraq, I would
>>be
>>the first one to take up arms and repel them. (I suppose that would make
>>me
>>an 'insurgent' by OUR logic.) This, and other aggressive governments
have
>>always done their utmost to make it APPEAR as if committing yourself to
>>kill
>>in feuds on distant shores that have nothing to do with the welfare of
the
>>citizenry is somehow patriotic.
>>
>>It is not.
>>
>>Enlisting in the armed forces, in the absence of a real and impending
>>foreign threat, is no different that hiring yourself as a paid assassin
.
>>.
>>the only difference is, you're not getting paid enough. But let's take a
>>realistic look at exactly WHO joins up in an all-volunteer army.
>>
>>The first group are those who join (during peacetime) for the benefits:
to
>>get an education, or because it seems a reasonable career path. Consider
>>carefully! Realize that you are gambling with your humanity. Once you
sign
>>that form, you sign away your right to say: "No, that is an atrocity."
You
>>put your abilities, including the ability to kill, at the disposal of
>>proven
>>liars, psychopaths . . . enemies of humanity. Do you think that every
>>German
>>soldier in World War II who helped load Jews into cattle cars was a
>>cold-blooded killer? Most were poor kids, just like you, who got caught
up
>>in the patriotic frenzy. Once you're in, you're IN. You lose the ability
>>to
>>stop killing until they tell you so. This not only makes you less than
>>human, it makes you less than an animal, for even the animals retain
their
>>freedom of self determination.
>>
>>The second group are the simple minded, who fall for patriotic
entreaties
>>about defending democracy, Mom, apple pie; in other words, all the
>>traditional government propaganda. Do you think Soviet lads subjugated
>>their
>>neighbors throughout the world because they thought the Soviet Union was
>>an
>>EVIL empire? No, they were fighting for MOM, and whatever passes for
apple
>>pie in Russia. Step back and examine the lies your government is handing
>>you, and ask yourself if they have the ring of truth. Do you want to be
>>one
>>of the murderers in uniform who opened up on their fellow citizens at
Kent
>>State? When you put on that uniform, you give up all autonomy, and
become
>>nothing more than a weapon, to be used for whatever evil purposes the
>>scoundrels in government demand (and, if you look carefully, you will
>>discover that the only interests THEY serve are those of the big
>>businesses
>>that own them.)
>>
>>Finally, you have the hard-core psychopaths. These are the people who
WANT
>>to kill. Murder, torture, rape; THESE are the American values upon which
>>THIS group is focused. The cause doesn't matter, they're after the
thrill
>>that only warfare can provide.
>>
>>Just remember: killing for George W. Bush, or for George H.W. Bush, or
for
>>Lyndon B. Johnson, or for Richard M. Nixon is not the same as defending
>>yourself, your family, your friends, or your country. Don't be a dupe.
>>Don't
>>Enlist!
>>
>>Remember -- sup****ting the troops means sup****ting Bush aggression,
>>profiteering, and war crimes. Here's an idea: why not take those
ribbons,
>>dip them in blood, and mail them to the White House?
>
> ZZZZZZZ...ZZZZZZZ...ZZZZ...er...did someone say something stupid?
>
> Yes, dip ribbons in blood, send them to the White House, then get a
> lawyer because you will need one when the Secret Service comes to your
> house and arrests you for sending threatening mail to the President.
> Dumbass.
>
> Hey douchebag, what makes you think you have a corner on the truth? I
> don't like our guys getting shot any more than you do, but I'd go to
> Iraq and serve my country and take a few iraqi terrorists out myself
> if I wasn't too old to serve. I guess it's OK for Saddam to send cash
> awards to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers as incentive for
> them to blow bombs off and kill women and children riding buses and
> eating pizza. I guess it's OK for Saddam to gas his own people using
> the weapons of mass destruction that pussies like you claim he never
> had. I guess it's OK for him to tell UN inspectors to **** off until
> he's had a chance to move all his WMD operations out of the country.
> Saddam has ties to terrorism all over the world, and if not Al-qaeda
> directly, with the PLO and Syria. Oh, and many of your ***** liberal
> politicians were in complete agreement with Bush sending troops over
> there and were quite happy to send troops over there to get shot at
> and die until it was election time.
>
> Ever think that maybe a lot of the people there think that Bush was
> right to send them and they're glad to be serving their country, even
> if they're not happy about getting shot at? Oh, I forgot...they
> can't, because you said they can't. And I hope you rot in hell for
> comparing our fighting men and women to Nazis. Go **** yourself.
> ****ing college student idiot. You make me puke.
>
> I'm getting goddamn good and sick of hearing how evil we are by our
> own ****ing citizenry. There's not a more charitable country on earth
> than the US, and it makes me sick that US citizens compare us to Nazis
> and communists. You know what? You don't like it, the US
> Constitution guarantees you the right to form a militia and take arms
> against this "injustice." Just don't be surprised when you get shot
> by a real American who's as disgusted by your bull**** as I am, you
> ****ing whining *****!
>
> I guess I'll be forever ostracized from alt.fan.devo for this rant,
> but it's time you liberal de-evolutionists heard a little bit from a
> Devo fan who's not scared to disagree with Jerry Casale.
>
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