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Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues

by Jeffrey Turner <jturner@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 23, 2008 at 09:36 AM

Ernst Blofeld wrote:

> On Feb 22, 4:14 pm, Jeffrey Turner <jtur...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
>>Ernst Blofeld wrote:
>>
>>The Laughable curve isn't based on real economics.
> 
> You're saying John Keynes isn't a real economist? He described the
> phenomena in _General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money_.
> 
>>You've never explained how Lockheed/Martin, for example, would get by
>>if they didn't pay taxes.
> 
> Who says the tax rate is zero?

At 100% they would still pay taxes if they expected any gov't contracts.

> The Laffer curve at its most basic
> simply argues that revenues go down when rates are jacked high
> enough.
> 
> Do you think tax revenues would increase if the marginal tax rate went
> from 95% to 100%? Why or why not?

It depends on the level of gov't spending.  Here's a good explanation:

http://www.angelfire.com/planet/dragonomics/laffer_ruminations.pdf

I'll just give you one of the highlights, without trying to reproduce
the graphs and equations.

Government is not a money pit. The biggest part of the money government
collect as taxes is spent back into the economy (Social Security,
welfare, Medicaid/Medicare, infrastructure projects and so on). Let call
the percent of the money gov. recirculate in the economy Z-factor.

A very interesting analyze however, will be to study how the tax revenue
is going to variate based on variation of Z factor, keeping in mind that
all the governments of today are working with Z factors larger than 0.1.
In the following graph, the Deficit is kept at 10% and Z factor
(involvement of government in economy) is studied from 0.1 till 0.9.

Surprise, surprise, surprise. If the Z-factor is over 0.5 the top of the
revenue curve is getting out of the graphic. That means there is not
going to be any more a point over which increasing the tax rate is going
to reduce the tax revenues.  And, well, most of governments actually
operate with a Z-factor over 0.5.

I'll be the first to admit that the author's economics is better than
his/her English.

--Jeff

-- 
It is only those who have neither
fired a shot nor heard the shrieks
and groans of the wounded who cry
aloud for blood, more vengeance, more
desolation.  War is hell.
--William Te***seh Sherman
 




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Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
gjohns01@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-16 11:55:29 
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Middle Class Warrior <  2008-02-16 20:49:45 
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"Doorman" <n  2008-02-16 16:24:20 
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David Johnston <david@  2008-02-16 23:32:32 
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"Kommienezuspadt&quo  2008-02-17 23:27:58 
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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-02-16 14:38:26 
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gjohns01@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-18 09:35:42 
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Ernst Blofeld <blofeld  2008-02-18 10:01:16 
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neoconis_ignoramus <be  2008-02-18 12:40:59 
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"Docky Wocky" &  2008-02-18 21:09:35 
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neoconis_ignoramus <be  2008-02-18 18:26:02 
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gjohnsit@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-18 21:01:03 
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Ernst Blofeld <blofeld  2008-02-19 07:37:20 
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Jeffrey Turner <jturne  2008-02-22 19:14:36 
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<ahall@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-22 20:08:19 
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Stevie Nichts <nix2nic  2008-02-19 19:42:37 
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"Jorge W. Arbusto, P  2008-02-20 15:41:52 
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Stevie Nichts <nix2nic  2008-02-21 04:18:32 
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Mitchell Holman <Noema  2008-02-21 06:56:49 
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Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-21 09:30:35 
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Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-21 09:26:09 
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<ahall@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-22 20:09:17 
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Ernst Blofeld <blofeld  2008-02-22 21:04:33 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
Jeffrey Turner <jturne  2008-02-23 09:36:50 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
Ernst Blofeld <blofeld  2008-02-23 09:11:31 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
Jeffrey Turner <jturne  2008-02-23 14:05:25 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
gjohns01@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-23 12:25:07 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
gjohns01@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-23 12:28:15 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
Jeffrey Turner <jturne  2008-02-23 19:05:05 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
Ernst Blofeld <blofeld  2008-02-23 13:55:17 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
Jeffrey Turner <jturne  2008-02-23 19:00:09 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
Ernst Blofeld <blofeld  2008-02-23 20:06:15 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
Jeffrey Turner <jturne  2008-02-24 12:55:40 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
Ernst Blofeld <blofeld  2008-02-24 12:39:12 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
Jeffrey Turner <jturne  2008-02-24 22:01:58 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-24 20:12:05 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
Ernst Blofeld <blofeld  2008-02-24 21:48:15 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
Jeffrey Turner <jturne  2008-02-26 19:23:59 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
znuybv <thowilson@[EMA  2008-02-26 16:48:11 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
Ernst Blofeld <blofeld  2008-02-27 07:55:15 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
Jeffrey Turner <jturne  2008-02-28 13:49:05 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
Ernst Blofeld <blofeld  2008-02-28 23:43:32 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
Jeffrey Turner <jturne  2008-02-29 17:38:53 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
gjohnsit@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-29 13:35:25 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
Ernst Blofeld <blofeld  2008-02-29 20:35:48 
Re: Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues
Jeffrey Turner <jturne  2008-03-02 11:49:21 

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