Re: Stats Gone Wild! Plus Triple-Play Bonus

On May 14, 8:04=A0pm, "D.F. Manno" <dfma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> In article <59jm2492sn95k7a7sm26nj7eqe6205n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> =A0M C Hamster <davol...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > Richard R. Hershberger <rrhe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > >It's only been fifteen years since the Pirates' last winning season.
> > >I don't see what the complaining is all about. =A0(Recall that I am a
> > >Phillies fan: =A0our history of futility is second to none.)
>
> > Harumph.
>
> The Phillies have lost 10,046 games, the most in the history of s****ts.
> They would have to win their next 1,171 games - more than seven seasons'
> worth - just to get to .500.

Actually, that 10,046 losses (10.047 after last night) is merely their
record as a major league club, i.e. since 1883.  Almost entirely
forgotten today is that they competed in 1882 in the League Alliance
against the Metropolitans.  The Metropolitans were a significantly
better team.  There are philosophical issues of what games one would
count, but at the least there are seven or eight losses in official
champion****p competition play that could be added to the total.

> The Cubs actually have a winning record over the life of the franchise
> (10,008-9,475). They're not even _second_ to the Phillies in number of
> losses.

Yeah, the Chicago club suffers from having been very good in the 19th
century:  damn Cap Anson for screwing up their record!

> The Cubs have appeared in 10 World Series, the Phillies only five. The
> Cubs have won two World Series, the Phillies only one. The Cubs have won
> 18 World Series games, the Phillies only eight.

Twelve:  it is sheer parochialism to ignore the 19th century Series
between the NL and AA champions.

> The 1961 Phillies hold the modern major league record for consecutive
> losses with 23.
>
> And the Cubs have never choked the way the 1964 Phillies did.
>
> Harumph yourself.

Well said!  Bravo!