Re: Stats Gone Wild! Plus Triple-Play Bonus

On May 14, 11:03 am, "Richard R. Hershberger" <rrhe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 14, 9:19 am, "art...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 13, 11:30 pm, M C Hamster <davol...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Tue, 13 May 2008 17:03:39 -0700 (PDT), "art...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > <art...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > >On May 13, 5:50 pm, Blinky the Shark <no.s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > >> slidge wrote:
> > > >> >>>> In the second baseball game that I ever saw live, I saw a
5-4-3 triple
> > > >> >>>> play. ?Manny Sanguillen was the batter who hit a sharp
grounder right
> > > >> >>>> to (Ron Santo?) who stepped on third, threw to second and
the second
> > > >> >>>> baseman threw it to first it to beat Manny.
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> > > >> >>>Oh, and a little bird tells me you saw your second live game
on July
> > > >> >>>2, 1972 at Three Rivers Stadium.
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> > > >> >> And the Cubs still lost the game, 7-4.  Gee, what a surprise.
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> > > >> They were already behind 7-2 at that point, the last two of those
> > > >> seven PGH runs having been scored on the two previous plays.
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> > > >> > And Gene Alley went 1 for 4.  Typical.
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> > > >> That beat Clemente by one.
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> > > >he did get on via an error
> > > >> The Cubs left 11 on base.  Ugh.
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> > > > 2 Pirate players hit home runs. Richie Hebner* and Bob something
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> > > >other IIRC. Damn I should remember. It was only 36 years ago.
> > > >*Or maybe Manny hit one? I know Bob did.
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> > > Bob Robertson and Manny Sanguillen.
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> > > Here ya
go.http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PIT/PIT197207020.shtml
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> > Boy, they sure didn't know the value of OPS in those days. Both teams
> > had lead off hitters with under .700 OPS? and Pepitone batting
> > cleanup?
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> OPS was popularized by John Thorn and Pete Palmer in 1984.  Obviously
> the slugging side of that was appreciated, at least informally, since
> Ruth's day.  The idea that getting walks is a player trait, and not
> just an occasional random event, developed more slowly.  I doubt that
> it would have occured to any manager in 1972 to base a lineup on this.

Recent Pirate managers still haven't gotten this. The new one may have
a clue, though.
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> This doesn't explain Pepitone batting cleanup.  My guess is that the
> explanation for that lies in his 1971 BA of .307.  He had also had
> years where he hit in the high twenties home runs, peaking at 31 in
> 1966.  He was only 31 years old in 1972, but near the end of his
> career.  It may be that no one had yet noticed this.
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> Hmm...  Who was managing the Cubs?  Leo Durocher (unless this was
> after he was fired).  Durocher was past his prime, too.
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