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Re: Is she toast?

by Peter Boulding <pjb@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 13, 2008 at 08:40 PM

On Mon, 12 May 2008 15:05:04 +0000, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique allusion in
lieu of the frontal attack' )"  <tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
<48285CA0.B639A02E@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:

>What exactly are these people so mad at Bush about? 

As I said, by "these" people you mean *most* people. And the obvious
answer
is "what's *not* to be mad about?" The enormous harm he has done in terms
of
discrediting democracy, damaging human and civil rights, advocating
torture,
further destabilising the Middle East, destroying America's reputation and
credibility; and his abject failure to address crises in the environment,
job ex****ts, deregulated finance, competition from the Tiger Economies,
New
Orleans, etc., are obvious; Bush has managed to discredit every creed he
has
embraced - including Christianity. 

And what good has done? Most people can't see *any*. 

>It amazes me
>that "Iraq" could be such a big deal. How is Iraq different than
>Panama, Granada, the Balkans?

The Balkans, like Gulf 1, had widespread international sup****t and did not
reek of military or economic imperialism. The prime motive was to ensure
the
continuation of stability in Western Europe and in this NATO was fairly
successful. 

Iraq is in some ways very similar to Panama, except in scale; in both
cases
the US turned against its own man as soon as the level of embarrassment he
was causing outweighed his usefulness. 

Granada is said to be the only occasion on which Reagan's people were
unable
to persuade him out of a piece of real dumbass stupidity, but was on such
a
tiny scale that no-one other than Clint Eastwood bothered very much. 


The list of reasons why Iraq stands out from the rest is long and has been
gone over endlessly; if you haven't cottoned on by now it's unlikely that
you ever will. Suffice it to say that it was a war of choice, not
necessity;
that it poured fuel onto the flames of the Middle East instead of dousing
them; that it played totally into the hands of religious fundamentalists
everywhere; and (this is the only part that wasn't widely predicted) that
its execution was ****ed up so badly that the resulting disaster is on a
par
with that now being precipitated by the Burmese generals, not to mention
the
massive damage it has done to the global - and especially the US -
economy. 

-- 
Regards,  Peter 'why am I replying to Bill Bonde?' Boulding
pjb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (to e-mail, remove "UNSPAM")
Fractal music & images: http://www.pboulding.co.uk/
and 
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=794240&content=music
 




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Is she toast?
Dover Beach <moon.blan  2008-05-07 22:57:55 
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Opus the Penguin <opus  2008-05-07 23:18:01 
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Dover Beach <moon.blan  2008-05-08 00:11:05 
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"Bill Bonde ( 'the o  2008-05-07 23:37:54 
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Greg Goss <gossg@[EMAI  2008-05-07 20:43:30 
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raven@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-08 02:58:34 
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Rod Stiffington <inval  2008-05-08 12:06:02 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-08 19:13:03 
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Opus the Penguin <opus  2008-05-08 20:44:52 
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Rod Stiffington <inval  2008-05-08 14:45:41 
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Rod Stiffington <inval  2008-05-08 15:49:19 
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Opus the Penguin <opus  2008-05-08 22:58:57 
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Rod Stiffington <inval  2008-05-08 16:25:16 
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Opus the Penguin <opus  2008-05-09 01:02:04 
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Peter Boulding <pjb@[E  2008-05-09 00:21:04 
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Opus the Penguin <opus  2008-05-09 00:56:41 
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raven@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-10 01:13:14 
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ctbishop@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-10 14:08:15 
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"Bill Bonde ( 'the o  2008-05-12 22:01:54 
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ctbishop@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-12 19:36:06 
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raven@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-14 22:21:35 
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"Bill Bonde ( 'the o  2008-05-12 17:46:41 
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"Bill Bonde ( 'the o  2008-05-08 21:24:30 
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Rod Stiffington <inval  2008-05-08 16:36:25 
Re: historical lookbacks are fun, was: Is she toast?
Shawn Wilson <ikonoqla  2008-05-15 10:40:01 
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slidge@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-09 08:45:51 
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Lee Ayrton <layrton@[E  2008-05-13 16:05:25 
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Lee Ayrton <layrton@[E  2008-05-14 19:21:35 
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Greg Goss <gossg@[EMAI  2008-05-14 17:23:42 
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slidge@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-15 10:37:58 
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"Bill Bonde { ''the   2008-05-15 05:16:25 
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Mr C <camsoccer@[EMAIL  2008-05-12 17:17:33 
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"Bill Bonde ( 'the o  2008-05-13 02:38:57 
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slidge@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-09 09:25:20 
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"Richard R. Hershber  2008-05-13 07:56:23 
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"Bill Bonde ( 'the o  2008-05-13 14:16:07 
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"Richard R. Hershber  2008-05-12 08:17:16 
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ctbishop@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-12 19:32:36 
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"Bill Bonde ( 'the o  2008-05-12 22:03:19 
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"Richard R. Hershber  2008-05-13 08:00:06 
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"Bill Bonde ( 'the o  2008-05-13 14:10:43 
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Curse Of Millhaven <mi  2008-05-08 16:50:25 
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"D.F. Manno" &l  2008-05-11 20:24:11 
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"Bill Bonde ( 'the o  2008-05-11 15:03:10 
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"Charles Wm. Dimmick  2008-05-11 17:34:07 
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"Anny Middon" &  2008-05-13 11:54:11 
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"D.F. Manno" &l  2008-05-11 20:30:50 
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"Bill Bonde ( 'the o  2008-05-12 14:20:55 
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Curse Of Millhaven <mi  2008-05-11 18:38:25 
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Peter Boulding <pjb@[E  2008-05-12 03:09:46 
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"D.F. Manno" &l  2008-05-11 22:57:07 
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"Don K" <dk@  2008-05-11 23:01:00 
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"Bill Bonde ( 'the o  2008-05-12 15:05:04 
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Greg Goss <gossg@[EMAI  2008-05-12 20:53:10 
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"Bill Bonde ( 'the o  2008-05-13 02:39:28 
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Bob Ward <bobward@[EMA  2008-05-12 21:46:57 
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"Bill Bonde ( 'the o  2008-05-13 14:11:38 
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"Glenn Dowdy" &  2008-05-13 10:23:18 
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"Bill Bonde ( 'the o  2008-05-13 14:45:13 
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"Glenn Dowdy" &  2008-05-13 11:07:40 
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"Bill Bonde ( 'the o  2008-05-13 20:13:18 
historical lookbacks are fun, was: Is she toast?
danny burstein <dannyb  2008-05-13 22:16:40 
Re: historical lookbacks are fun, was: Is she toast?
Bob Ward <bobward@[EMA  2008-05-13 16:02:03 
Re: historical lookbacks are fun, was: Is she toast?
"Bill Bonde { ''the   2008-05-13 18:49:42 
Re: historical lookbacks are fun, was: Is she toast?
"Bill Bonde { ''the   2008-05-13 18:49:10 
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Peter Boulding <pjb@[E  2008-05-13 20:40:37 
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"Bill Bonde ( 'the o  2008-05-13 20:29:39 
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spam.sc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-14 08:58:38 
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spam.sc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-15 14:58:36 
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huey.callison@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-14 16:27:06 
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huey.callison@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-13 20:54:03 
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Peter Boulding <pjb@[E  2008-05-14 20:21:59 
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Peter Boulding <pjb@[E  2008-05-22 11:41:12 
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Bill Turlock <"Bi  2008-05-14 17:08:07 
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Guillermo el Gato <dev  2008-05-19 17:07:19 
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Peter Boulding <pjb@[E  2008-05-20 01:55:45 
Re: historical lookbacks are fun, was: Is she toast?
Lee Ayrton <layrton@[E  2008-05-13 22:33:50 
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"Richard R. Hershber  2008-05-12 08:19:44 
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"Bill Bonde ( 'the o  2008-05-12 14:26:00 
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"Richard R. Hershber  2008-05-12 11:39:39 
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Mr C <camsoccer@[EMAIL  2008-05-12 17:27:04 
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"Ryan Robbins"   2008-05-08 03:25:35 
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Mr C <camsoccer@[EMAIL  2008-05-12 16:32:54 
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ctbishop@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-12 19:38:18 
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Mr C <camsoccer@[EMAIL  2008-05-13 06:12:02 
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Shawn Wilson <ikonoqla  2008-05-07 16:24:00 
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Dover Beach <moon.blan  2008-05-08 00:18:39 
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slidge@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-08 11:10:29 
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slidge@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-08 11:07:42 
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Pushmi-Pullyu <PullmiP  2008-05-07 16:25:49 
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Boron Elgar <boron_elg  2008-05-07 19:35:17 
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Dover Beach <moon.blan  2008-05-08 00:15:39 
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Boron Elgar <boron_elg  2008-05-07 20:58:20 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-08 01:03:27 
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Boron Elgar <boron_elg  2008-05-07 21:10:08 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-08 03:55:44 
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Boron Elgar <boron_elg  2008-05-08 05:47:23 
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Hank Gillette <hankgil  2008-05-08 15:27:32 
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Boron Elgar <boron_elg  2008-05-08 12:06:59 
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"Anny Middon" &  2008-05-08 11:34:26 
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Boron Elgar <boron_elg  2008-05-08 13:24:10 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-08 18:56:34 
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QueBarbara <que.barbar  2008-05-08 14:31:20 
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Opus the Penguin <opus  2008-05-08 02:25:00 
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Dover Beach <moon.blan  2008-05-08 02:26:07 
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ctbishop@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-07 22:11:54 
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xhoster@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-08 15:49:06 
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Dover Beach <moon.blan  2008-05-08 16:50:52 
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xhoster@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-08 17:13:55 
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Dover Beach <moon.blan  2008-05-08 17:20:07 
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Greg Goss <gossg@[EMAI  2008-05-07 20:48:01 
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Curse Of Millhaven <mi  2008-05-07 16:46:12 
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Dover Beach <moon.blan  2008-05-08 00:17:39 
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raven@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-08 00:40:50 
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spam.sc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-08 09:07:11 
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Dana <dcarpend@[EMAIL   2008-05-07 17:18:45 
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Hank Gillette <hankgil  2008-05-08 03:04:19 
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Curse Of Millhaven <mi  2008-05-07 17:45:46 
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Dover Beach <moon.blan  2008-05-08 00:56:30 
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paulydak <im@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-11 23:44:01 
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Rod Stiffington <inval  2008-05-07 17:49:55 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-08 00:59:31 
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Rod Stiffington <inval  2008-05-07 18:11:57 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-08 03:58:11 
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Peter Boulding <pjb@[E  2008-05-08 09:13:37 
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Hank Gillette <hankgil  2008-05-08 15:28:37 
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Greg Goss <gossg@[EMAI  2008-05-07 20:53:55 
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slidge@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-08 11:38:58 
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Rod Stiffington <inval  2008-05-08 10:12:25 
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Curse Of Millhaven <mi  2008-05-07 18:17:34 
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Greg Goss <gossg@[EMAI  2008-05-07 20:49:59 
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"Bill Bonde ( 'the o  2008-05-07 23:35:09 
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mike muth <mike.muth@[  2008-05-07 19:10:49 
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Greg Goss <gossg@[EMAI  2008-05-07 20:38:24 
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slidge@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-08 11:45:08 
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Binyamin Dissen <posti  2008-05-08 11:26:26 
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Curse Of Millhaven <mi  2008-05-08 07:12:10 
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Mike <mike@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-08 08:38:26 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-08 19:01:15 
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spam.sc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-09 14:13:40 
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Curse Of Millhaven <mi  2008-05-08 07:17:49 
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"artyw2@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-08 09:10:57 
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"Richard R. Hershber  2008-05-08 12:15:13 
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Hank Gillette <hankgil  2008-05-09 01:55:43 
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Guillermo el Gato <dev  2008-05-20 17:40:51 
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Hank Gillette <hankgil  2008-05-21 04:00:35 
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Curse Of Millhaven <mi  2008-05-08 13:09:54 
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Curse Of Millhaven <mi  2008-05-08 13:12:37 
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Curse Of Millhaven <mi  2008-05-08 13:14:54 
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Rod Stiffington <inval  2008-05-08 14:49:46 
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mike muth <mike.muth@[  2008-05-08 17:44:37 
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"artyw2@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-08 17:48:13 
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mike muth <mike.muth@[  2008-05-09 02:53:22 
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"Richard R. Hershber  2008-05-09 07:27:15 
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"Anny Middon" &  2008-05-09 12:32:01 
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Bob Ward <bobward@[EMA  2008-05-09 13:11:08 
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Mr C <camsoccer@[EMAIL  2008-05-10 16:14:21 
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Dover Beach <moon.blan  2008-05-11 03:32:02 
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Opus the Penguin <opus  2008-05-11 13:13:38 
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Jerry Bauer <usenet@[E  2008-05-11 06:37:00 
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Opus the Penguin <opus  2008-05-11 18:40:54 
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"artyw2@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-11 11:48:56 
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Mr C <camsoccer@[EMAIL  2008-05-13 19:14:28 
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Hank Gillette <hankgil  2008-05-14 14:06:04 

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