On May 12, 4:40=A0pm, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique allusion in lieu of the
frontal attack' )" <tributyltinpa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> "Richard R. Hershberger" wrote:
>
> > On May 12, 1:45 pm, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique allusion in lieu of the
> > frontal attack' )" =A0<tributyltinpa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > "Richard R. Hershberger" wrote:
>
> > > > On May 12, 10:26 am, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique allusion in lieu
of
> > > > the frontal attack' )" =A0<tributyltinpa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > > > "Richard R. Hershberger" wrote:
>
> > > > > > On May 11, 11:03 am, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique allusion in
lieu=
of
> > > > > > the frontal attack' )" =A0<tributyltinpa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
> > > > > > > Curse Of Millhaven wrote:
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> > > > > > > > On May 8, 4:36 pm, Rod Stiffington <inva...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > > > > On Thu, 08 May 2008 21:24:30 +0000, "Bill Bonde ( 'the
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ique
> > > > > > > > > >So basically, Gore destroyed the Internet. It's about
tim=
e someone
> > > > > > > > > >admited that.
>
> > > > > > > > > That is the attitude I am talking about. =A0It does not
ma=
tter if he
> > > > > > > > > really had a hand in providing congressional framework
for=
creating
> > > > > > > > > the Internet. =A0He is still a big fat joke to some
people=
.. Gore must be
> > > > > > > > > ridiculed at all costs! =A0Thanks to this clowning, we
are=
in Iraq
> > > > > > > > > today.
>
> > > > > > > > That's quite a stretch right there. Then again, it's
really =
no
> > > > > > > > surprise why Democrats keep losing elections at the
national=
level.
>
> > > > > > > If Democrats couldn't count on New York and California,
they'd=
have
> > > > > > > no chance for president at all. But both New York and
Californ=
ia
> > > > > > > have, or recently have had, Republicans for governor.
>
> > > > > > Are you trying to make some point? =A0If so, and if it is that
t=
herefore
> > > > > > New York and California are in play for McCain, consider
yoursel=
f
> > > > > > pointed and laughed at.
>
> > > > > I don't know if they are "in play" for McCain personally. I
suspec=
t
> > > > > that if a New Yorker or a Californian is the VP, they might be.
It=
> > > > > shouldn't be a secret how you win national presidental
elections,
> > > > > you pick someone who is super popular *in large states that go
for=
> > > > > the other side*.
>
> > > > > Of course why doens't this seem to ever happen? The answer would
> > > > > appear to be the nomination process. New Yorkers ran for the
> > > > > Republican side but they didn't get anywhere. On the Republican
> > > > > side, a New York Republican is too "Liberal" to get the
nomination=
,
> > > > > at least for president.
>
> > > > The thing about the governor****ps is that it isn't all that
unusual
> > > > for a state to have a governor contrary to its consistent voting
> > > > patterns in presidential races. =A0Maryland had a Republican
governo=
r
> > > > until the last election. =A0If that guy were put in the VP slot of
t=
he
> > > > Republican ticket, does that mean Maryland would be in play?
=A0No, =
it
> > > > really doesn't. =A0People vote for governors differently than they
d=
o
> > > > for presidents.
>
> > > I think there's no evidence to sup****t your claim that Maryland
> > > wouldn't be in play, making the assumption that the governor or
> > > former governor you are talking about is popular in his own state.
> > > If voters use different criteria, why do they usually vote in a
> > > former or current governor as president?
>
> > The former governor, Robert Ehrlich, was defeated in his reelection
> > bid in 2006 by Martin O'Malley roughly 53% to 46%. =A0My sense at the
> > time was not that Ehrlich was notably unpopular, but O'Malley is young
> > a photogenic and until recently front man of an Irish bar band, and
> > most im****tant of all a Democrat in a Democratic year. =A0Ehrlich
being
> > elected at all was the oddity, as he was the first Republican governor
> > of Maryland since Spiro Agnew.
>
> > If McCain were to pick Ehrlich as his running mate, I would stand up
> > and cheer, because it wouldn't do McCain a lick of good. =A0Obama got
> > 61% of the Democratic vote in our primary, while McCain got 55% of the
> > Republican vote, against effectively no opposition.
>
> Your argument is that the Republican governor isn't that popular,
> can't even win his own re-election. That, I would say, isn't a good
> example of picking a very popular person from a state that the
> other side needs to win and using that choice to put that state
> into play.
My argument is that it isn't all that unusual a state to have a
governor contrary to its consistent voting patterns in presidential
races. I used as an example of this the fact that Maryland had a
Republican governor until the last election. I posited that guy were
put in the VP slot of the Republican ticket, this would not mean that
Maryland would be in play, because people vote for governors
differently than they do for presidents.
Your clue that this was my argument should have been that I stated it
two cycles back. You disputed it based on, well, nothing, really.
> > > > As for Giuliani, his problem was that he knew only a single tune.
=
=A0All
> > > > he had was the "America's Mayor" stuff, and while that was enough
to=
> > > > make him poll well early on, it wasn't enough to get him actual
> > > > votes.
>
> > > Giuliani is too Liberal to resonate with Republican primary voters.
>
> > When people characterize Giuliani as "liberal" (or "Liberal": =A0I
don't=
> > care) I point and laugh.
>
> "Liberal" with the large "L" means a group of people at a place and
> time. "liberal" with the small "l" means literally "liberal".
Actually, were you attaining standard English, you would have written
that Giuliani is "a Liberal". As it is, you wrote semi-literate
gibberish and expected others to care enough to figure out what you
meant.
>
> > =A0He is a classic authoritarian,
>
> That's certainly not going to stop him from being "Liberal".
>
> > but with the
> > quirk that he doesn't particularly care who sleeps with whom. =A0But
if
> > that makes him too L/liberal for Republican primary voters, so be it.
>
> In what way is he "authoritarian"?
The whole police state thing springs to mind.
Richard R. Hershberger
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