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Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting

by bill van <billvan@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 9, 2008 at 10:04 PM

In article <48246C49.42A5609A@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
 Bill Turlock <"Bill Turlock "@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> bill van wrote:
> > 
> > In article <amt724tdnnsnc8116t5hvm6p4rmkjt7rml@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> >  Nick Spalding <spalding@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > 
> > > Wally Sevits wrote, in <fvv624pv8dvu607h5no71rt23hjfa835if@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > >  on Thu, 08 May 2008 15:41:05 -0700:
> > >
> > > > I never met anyone else who read the Sot-Weed Factor.  I read it
> > > > because I previously read Giles Goat-Boy and had enjoyed that a
lot.
> > >
> > > I too read Giles Goat-Boy about forty years ago; it is still on the
shelf
> > > here, I must read it again.  I never read The Sot-Weed Factor.
> > 
> > I read both of them, once, about that long ago. Also Lost in the
> > Funhouse. I liked them too, but in the same way I liked an interesting
> > but challenging university course. That was good, but I don't think I
> > want to do it again real soon. More metaphors and allusions than you
can
> > shake a stick at.
> 
> & clichés?

That's selling him way short. My sense of Barth, many years after 
reading him, is that he constructed plots that paralleled more or less 
transparently a lot of classic mythology, and filled them with details 
that are clearly satiric of the modern world *and* its cliches. Also 
throw in a lot of humour about the form of the novel and the conscious 
presence of the author. That can make for a frustrating read, depending 
on your tastes, but he was way beyond dealing in cliches.

-- 
bill
remove my country for e-mail
 




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Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
M C Hamster <davolson@  2008-05-08 12:32:01 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
"Lesmond" <l  2008-05-08 18:45:10 
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M C Hamster <davolson@  2008-05-08 13:58:01 
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"Lesmond" <l  2008-05-09 12:45:24 
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groo <afcagroo@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 00:06:37 
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"Lesmond" <l  2008-05-17 16:17:03 
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"Cheetah" <C  2008-05-08 11:54:48 
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General Specific <brad  2008-05-08 12:21:41 
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slidge@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-08 14:35:10 
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TedTheCat <tedthecat85  2008-05-08 14:20:25 
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Shawn Wilson <ikonoqla  2008-05-08 14:52:17 
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"Anny Middon" &  2008-05-08 17:29:12 
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Nick Spalding <spaldin  2008-05-09 08:00:57 
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Nick Spalding <spaldin  2008-05-09 08:07:32 
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Wally Sevits <rhabdomy  2008-05-08 15:41:05 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
Nick Spalding <spaldin  2008-05-09 08:04:37 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
bill van <billvan@[EMA  2008-05-09 08:30:07 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
Bill Turlock <"Bi  2008-05-09 08:22:49 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
bill van <billvan@[EMA  2008-05-09 22:04:39 
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"Lesmond" <l  2008-05-09 12:49:22 
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TedTheCat <tedthecat85  2008-05-09 09:19:18 
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"Lesmond" <l  2008-05-09 19:27:44 
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"Rick B." <d  2008-05-08 23:09:21 
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M C Hamster <davolson@  2008-05-08 20:12:06 
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Paul L. Madarasz <madp  2008-05-08 23:26:24 
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bill van <billvan@[EMA  2008-05-09 05:04:43 
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robertschreuder@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-08 23:28:54 
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jeffinputnam <jeffinpu  2008-05-09 06:48:29 
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M C Hamster <davolson@  2008-05-09 16:24:01 
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"Lesmond" <l  2008-05-09 22:11:44 
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Snidely <Snidely.too@[  2008-05-09 16:52:31 
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groo <afcagroo@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 00:26:57 
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Peter Ward <me@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 01:50:50 
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groo <afcagroo@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 01:36:51 
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Peter Ward <me@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 08:38:09 
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TedTheCat <tedthecat85  2008-05-18 14:48:42 
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M C Hamster <davolson@  2008-05-16 23:39:02 
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Paul L. Madarasz <madp  2008-05-17 07:26:38 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
M C Hamster <davolson@  2008-05-17 09:38:01 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
TedTheCat <tedthecat85  2008-05-18 13:07:47 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
Peter Ward <me@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 21:45:21 
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groo <afcagroo@[EMAIL   2008-05-19 00:53:46 
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TedTheCat <tedthecat85  2008-05-19 17:24:04 
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Dover Beach <moon.blan  2008-05-20 01:08:18 
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groo <afcagroo@[EMAIL   2008-05-20 03:43:06 
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Opus the Penguin <opus  2008-05-20 17:51:05 
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ctbishop@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-20 19:12:07 
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Opus the Penguin <opus  2008-05-21 03:20:36 
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Bob Ward <bobward@[EMA  2008-05-20 20:31:59 
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Opus the Penguin <opus  2008-05-21 03:58:25 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
Bob Ward <bobward@[EMA  2008-05-20 21:39:10 
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Opus the Penguin <opus  2008-05-21 04:52:08 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
M C Hamster <davolson@  2008-05-20 23:41:01 
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Opus the Penguin <opus  2008-05-21 04:52:11 
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Bill Turlock <"Bi  2008-05-20 23:16:48 
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Opus the Penguin <opus  2008-05-21 10:03:30 
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ctbishop@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-21 04:47:40 
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Opus the Penguin <opus  2008-05-21 19:30:18 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
Bill Turlock <"Bi  2008-05-21 12:15:01 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
Opus the Penguin <opus  2008-05-21 19:30:17 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
Bill Turlock <"Bi  2008-05-21 12:35:13 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
Opus the Penguin <opus  2008-05-21 19:51:39 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
Blinky the Shark <no.s  2008-05-20 22:10:03 
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schreuder.esther@[EMAIL P  2008-05-11 06:53:04 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
"Lesmond" <l  2008-05-11 14:50:06 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
M C Hamster <davolson@  2008-05-11 12:53:01 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
bill van <billvan@[EMA  2008-05-11 18:48:22 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
M C Hamster <davolson@  2008-05-11 21:43:02 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
groo <afcagroo@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 00:14:04 
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robertschreuder@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-11 07:00:37 
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Veronique <veroniqueun  2008-05-11 10:59:31 
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robertschreuder@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-12 00:58:57 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
"Lesmond" <l  2008-05-12 12:36:50 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
Snidely <Snidely.too@[  2008-05-12 20:11:59 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
TedTheCat <tedthecat85  2008-05-17 14:10:02 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
groo <afcagroo@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 04:08:07 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
Peter Ward <me@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 10:39:56 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
TedTheCat <tedthecat85  2008-05-18 06:53:54 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
Bob Ward <bobward@[EMA  2008-05-18 11:01:17 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
groo <afcagroo@[EMAIL   2008-05-19 00:28:05 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
Peter Ward <me@[EMAIL   2008-05-19 12:26:57 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
groo <afcagroo@[EMAIL   2008-05-20 03:41:19 
Re: Top 100 Novels... the Final Accounting
Peter Ward <me@[EMAIL   2008-05-20 16:57:15 

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