Re: Obama May Win Indiana

"Boron Elgar" <boron_elgar@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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>>I think you're taking my point a bit out of context.  Your statement
above
>>was in reply to someone pointing out that Clinton had said Obama wasn't
>>qualified to be POTUS.  To which you said that bit about pols saying all
>>sorts of things while they run and 99.9% never used to get noticed at
all.
>
> OK
>>
>>My point about playing Gotcha! is that I'd like to see candidates think 
>>for
>>a second more often than they do before opening their yaps.  It's easy
to
>>say about anything you think will resonate with your current caudience
and
>>then say the exact opposite with another audience if there's a big
chance 
>>no
>>one will call you on it.
>
> This isn't going to happen. There is too much exposure, too many
> events, too much to memorize. There will always be ****ups due to
> error and just plain old mistakes. Add that in to the usual ass
> kissing and it gets too complicated to keep 100% straight. It'd be
> nice, of course, if everything were, but it isn't going to be, so I
> don't wish for it.
>
> Politics is fluid.  This is necessary in some cases as the  situations
> can change so rapidly, but political alliances and agreements are made
> and re-made and re-negotiated all the time. What one pol agrees to on
> Monday, may be different on Tuesday. There is much made of
> flip-flopping, and keeping campaign promises, but I look for a leader
> who very broadly and generally has characteristics and policies I
> like.  I can't get all worked up about the flip-flops. Too much to
> keep track of unless it happens to be about something I think is
> extremely im****tant.  I look for trends and overall record rather than
> anything on an incident by incident basis - again, unless it is a Big
> Thing to me or mine.

Altho a certain amount of flip=flopping is inevitable, that doesn't mean
it 
isn't still fun to point it out.  And I think in the past there has been
too 
much of a candidate telling one group he or she is going to work to 
strengthen Social Security and then telling the next group he or she is 
going to work to get rid of entitlements such as Social Security.

It's only too understandalbe that a candidate will say whatever necessary
to 
get elected, but I want them to be accountable for what they say.  As 
voters, we decide on who to vote for based on what the candidates say.

My father was pissed off at Richard Olgivie for years after he was no
longer 
governor of Illinois.  Olgivie swore he wouldn't work to put in a state 
income tax and within a couple of months of being elected did just the 
opposite.
>
>>
>>The Howard Dean incident was not a game of Gotcha!  Gotcha! is played
when
>>some pol exclaims indignantly, "I never said that!" and the news re****t
>>immediately follows with a tape showing him or her saying exactly that.
>>
>>As I said, I like Gotcha!  Although it can be and often is misused it's 
>>also
>>a way of forcing pols to be a little more accountable for what they say.
>
> I have never heard details of the game and just made an assumption
> based on it's name.

That's because I made it up.


>
> Boron
>
> Hey...whatever happened with the guess my hospital bill stuff?

I was waiting for a few others to chime in with guesses, but I'll post the

actual figures tomorrow.

Anny