On Thu, 08 May 2008 16:21:49 +0000, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique
allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )"
<tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>Rod Stiffington wrote:
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>> On Thu, 08 May 2008 15:40:44 +0000, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique
>> allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )"
>> <tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> >Rod Stiffington wrote:
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>> >> On Thu, 08 May 2008 03:02:44 +0000, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique
>> >> allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )"
>> >> <tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> >> >Greg Goss wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal
attack' )"
>> >> >> <tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Dover Beach wrote:
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>> >> >> >> I think she'd have a better shot at 2012 if she'd back out
now. I hate
>> >> >> >> to see her do it, and I can understand if she wants to keep
fighting,
>> >> >> >> but she'd preserve more goodwill if she'd wait four more
years.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >Where's Gore now? He's reduced to blaming a big whirlwind on
>> >> >> >"Global Warming".
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Gore could probably have had this nomination if he'd wanted it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >After the nonsense he's pulled with his Global Warming business
>> >> >ventures and his Bigfoot carbon footprint?
>> >> >
>> >> Id rather have him doing that then getting us stuck in Iraq.
>> >>
>> >1) Bush isn't running for any office now.
>> >2) The US isn't stuck in Iraq. It could leave at any time. The
>> >issue is what is in he best interest of the United States.
>> >
>> True, true. My point was that Gore would have never gotten us there
>> in the first place.
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>I think that Bill Clinton would not have been able to make such a
>decision because of his risk aversion. I haven't really thought
>about Gore and this though.
>
Bill Clinton is a red herring, he would not have been in office. But
remember he did bomb Iraq in 1998 and don't forget the military action
in Bosnia/Serbia. As far as Gore goes, I think he would have
authorized action in Afghanistan, but not Iraq (certainly not
pre-emptive action).
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>> >> >> For
>> >> >> most of the campaign, the betting site that I watch had Gore at
better
>> >> >> odds than Edwards, even though he wasn't running. (I guess
bettors
>> >> >> figured he'd be an up-the-middle compromise at a deadlocked
>> >> >> convention?). Gore didn't want it. He's happy where he is.
>> >> >>
>> >> >This isn't his election. He screwed it up in 2000. In fact, it was
>> >> >as close as it was because, if you'll recall, Bush's DUI was leaked
>> >> >right before the vote.
>> >> >
>> >> He screwed it up? He won the popular vote. How is that screwing it
>> >> up?
>> >>
>> >He was the sitting VP. He had a supposed great Clinton legacy. He
>> >only got close because of the Bush DUI story breaking right before
>> >the vote. There is no national popular vote. If you want to win,
>> >you shouldn't make it so close.
>>
>> That is a real stretch. Let's see: Bush got a DUI, VS. Gore invented
>> the Internet, was the inspiration for Love Story, discovered Love
>> Canal, grew up at the Ritz-Carlton (not a farm), wore four button
>> earth toned suits (which showed how fake he was).
>>
>Keep in mind that the DUI story broke right before the election.
>There were plenty of attacks on Bush throughout the campaign, you
>can expect that always.
>
Yes, there are always attacks, but attacks are one thing. The US
political media loves trivial non-stories, regardless of the target.
These stories tend to do more damage then attacks.
>
>> Then there was the
>> union-lullaby flap, the doggy-pill flap, oh yeah and he sighed during
>> the first debate when Bush lied through his ass.
>>
>I remember Bill Clinton lying during debates and no one seemed to
>care.
>
That is too far back for me, I don't remember anything about those
debates. I do remember that everyone thought P***** was crazy even
though just about everything he predicted has come true (go figure).
>
>> That is just a
>> sample of the fake stories invented about Gore. Despite all that
>> utter bull**** being dumped on his head, he still won the popular
>> vote. At least Bush really got a DUI, even though it should not have
>> been a story.
>>
>So those are "fake" stories, how? The fact is, Gore makes gaffs,
>it's what he does. He's not the only one to do that, he was running
>against Verbal Gaff Central, George Dubya Bush.
The problem here, again, is the US media. In 2000, they assigned
roles to the candidates. Bush was the regular guy you would like to
have a beer with (hence the fascination with the DUI, plus it is OK
for regular guys to make gaffs). Gore was the serial exaggerator. My
guess is that they were still pissed off about Clinton's lying and
decided to make Gore pay for it. The problem with Gore's assigned
role is that is was not true, in that the stories they told were not
true. For instance, the biggest lie of all was "Invented The
Internet". Gore never said it. Yet it was repeated over, and over,
and over again. You know what happens when a lie is repeated over and
over, it becomes true. But it NEVER happened. Same with the others
(Love Story, Love Canal, et al)
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