Re: ethanol

In article <o4GdndSfMb3A9pTVnZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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huey.callison@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

>Charles Bishop <ctbishop@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> "Bill Bonde  <tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >Charles Bishop wrote:
>> >> "Bill Bonde  <tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >Now if you want to argue that it isn't worth it to bother with
>> >> >used oil, make that argument. There are companies that are doing
>> >> >this or will be trying to do this on a commercial scale, at least
>> >> >to make a profit. The limit is obviously how much oil is
>> >> >available. Since I don't have those numbers memorized, I'd have to
>> >> >look them up.
>> >> What are the numbers?
>> >Usually '0' through '9' but sometimes also 'A' through 'F'. It tends
>> >to depend on whether all your base are belong to us.
>> I'm sorry to have been unlcear. You mentioned there were numbers that
>> let us know how much oil was available and how this related to profit.
>> You said you didn't have the numbers but would cheerfully get them if
>> someone asked. 
>> So, I was asking. What are the numbers involved?
>
>Why ask him? He's not going to cheerfully get anything no matter who 
>asks. 

I knew that. I was just trying to annoy groo.

>
>According to http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/ohim/hs05/htm/mv1.htm

>there's around 250 million vehicles in the US. If you figure each one is 
>going to need four oil changes a year, that's 32 million barrels of 
>waste oil, which is presumably much higher quality than garden-variety 
>light sweet crude. 
>
>...but that's about a day and a half of the US oil consumption. And
>you've got the same overhead you have with any other crude oil - you
>have to ****p it and refine it - plus the fact that you have to collect 
>it, one gallon at a time, from all over the damn place. It's a whole lot 
>easier to take a couple million barrels out of one spot in the ground 
>than it is to collect it a gallon at a time from 3 million different 
>people every day. So you're probably not making a huge pile of money on 
>waste oil unless 1) you're heating with it, or 2) you take advantage of 
>economies of scale, like using the same Jiffy Lube delivery trucks that 
>drop off the new oil at the franchises to pick up the waste oil.

That an example of what I've been saying. It's possible to recycle stuff
(FCVOS) profitibly, but it's not as easy as saying "we should collect used
cooking oil from househoulds". The households want something in return,
whether it's monetary or pats on the back or some combination.

-- 
charles