Re: ethanol

Bob Ward wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:31:05 +0000, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique
> allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )"
> <tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >Bob Ward wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:10:06 +0000, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique
> >> allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )"
> >> <tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Bob Ward wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:21:38 -0700, ctbishop@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Charles
> >> >> Bishop) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Possibly. But he had a reasonable pilot plant operation. Filtered
the gunk
> >> >> >out, added MeOH and caustic (titrating for the exact amounts),
swirled it
> >> >> >for a bit, and you were his uncle. He ran either 50 gal or 100
gal
> >> >> >batches. As I mentioned, he probably didn't include his labor in
the
> >> >> >calcs, so I dunno how much he would have to value his labor to
break even.
> >> >> >Still, he looked to be having fun, and there's a sense of
accomplishment
> >> >> >to what he's doing.
> >> >>
> >> >> I've got a friend who paid mucho dinero for a 2003 Silverado 2500
4x4,
> >> >> extended cab, full-sized bed, Duramax Diesel... he says he'll
continue
> >> >> paying the price for real diesel to make sure he doesn't break the
> >> >> engine.
> >> >>
> >> >I thought that quality biodiesel helped clean up the engine.
> >>
> >> Quality biodiesel isn't made by filtering McDonald's frenchfry oil at
> >> 50 cents per gallon.
> >>
> >Of course it can be. People have been making biodiesel from used
> >oils for years. In fact, that's a good way to get two uses out of
> >it, like when they burn old oil ocean vessels. In fact, some people
> >are burning waste vegetable oil in there diesels without even
> >converting it to biodiesel. That apparently does require a dual
> >fuel setup and the "SVO" only doing warm running, switching to
> >regular fuel for start up and shut down.
> >
> >
> >
> >> You'd better go back to leaving the thinking to those more
experienced
> >> in that activity.
> >>
> >I keep kicking you in the head. And I apologize for that but you
> >keep putting your head right where my foot is going.
> 
> I'd do the same for you, if it weren't lodged so firmly up your ass.
> 
I'm sorry to hear that.


> Your grasp on the facts is not nearly as solid as your imaginings are
> entertaining.
> 
> Show me the people who are making "quality biodiesel by filtering
> McDonalds frenchfry oil" for 50 cents per gallon.
>
Wait a minute. Now you are putting all sorts of qualifiers on this.
Why does it have to be McDonalds french fry oil for 50 cents per
gallon? That number is what was claimed by Bishop for someone he
knew, isn't that correct? So ask him to defend his own claim. My
claim is that people are making quality motor fuel from used fry
and other cooking oils. In fact, I claim that they don't even have
to convert it to biodiesel, some are even running on SVO (straight
vegetable oil).



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