Re: ethanol

Charles Bishop wrote:
> 
> In article <4803FEEF.DF415CAA@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique
> allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )"
<tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> wrote:
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> >Charles Bishop wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <4803E541.55764973@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Bill Bonde ( 'the
oblique
> >> allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )"
<tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Charles Bishop wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> In article <4803C4A2.D15D76C5@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Bill Bonde ( 'the
oblique
> >> >> allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )"
<tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Charles Bishop wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In article <48039B4D.12F41AC3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Bill Bonde ( 'the
oblique
> >> >> >> allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )"
> <tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Veronique wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On Apr 9, 10:36 pm, xhos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > So where is all this ethanol going which we are starving
the
> world to
> >> >> >> >> > produce?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Around here, I'm not seeing E85 pumps sprouting like
weeds, and I
> >> >> think all
> >> >> >> >> > the MTBE here had already been replaced with ethanol
before the
> >> current
> >> >> >> >> > craze started.  What's going on in the rest of the
country?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> We have a biodiesel station right around the corner, and I
> know a guy
> >> >> >> >> who's starting up a biodiesel company.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >There needs to a systematic and low overhead means of
collecting
> >> >> >> >used cooking oil from individuals. I would suggest collection
> >> >> >> >points at grocery stores or even restaurants.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Why? How much would they pay me for it? Enough to make it
worthwhile to
> >> >> >> collect the small amounts I use, then would have to store until
someone
> >> >> >> came along to collect it?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >They wouldn't pay you anything. I'm saying that you collect it,
> >> >> >which you probably should do anyway since dumping it down the
drain
> >> >> >is probably not good and the only other place is in the garbage.
> >> >> >You would then bring it to some place you were going anyway when
> >> >> >you felt like it, like how you would recycle newspapers or
> >> >> >whatever.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm not going to do that, and how are you going to convince other
people
> >> >> to do that.
> >> >>
> >> >You aren't going to do that? Why bloody not?
> >>
> >> Don't swear at me young man. I told you why. It's too much trouble
for the
> >> small amount of oil I use.
> >>
> >If we include grease drained from cooked meats, is it really that
> >little?
> 
> Yes
>
So you don't cook anything that emits oil?



> >> It wouldn't be worth it for me to do so. Also,
> >> you haven't given details. How often is the pickup? Do I have to
supply my
> >> own containers? Is there storage outside or do I have to keep it
inside?
> >> usw.
> >>
> >I was going to have you drop it off, remember?  When I buy cooking
> >oil, it comes with its own container.
> 
> Then we're done. I'm for sure not going to drop it off. I don't have to
> drop off my recycling, they come get it so it would be a separate trip.
>
Why would it be a separate trip if you were already going to the
place you were dropping it off at? This is how they take plastic
shopping bags back at grocery stores.


> What percentage of the population have to participate and what total
> volume would make it worthwhile?
> 
Since people would be dropping it off, I suspect that any
participation would be viable. Being a drop off location could be
worth it to a McDonalds because people might also stop off and eat
a meal there. At least McDonalds could claim it was doing its part
for the environment.


> [snip]
> 
> >You don't have enough of it.
> 
> I don't, but there a many other people like me who don't have enough.
You
> could make it up in volume.
>
I guess it depends on what you mean by a lot. At $4.50 a gallon, I
suspect that sending the kids out monthly with a wagon to pick up
peoples' pails of grease starts to be worth it. 



> >> >> Would you set up a business collecting oil from people's homes? If
not,
> >> >> why not?
> >> >>
> >> >It wouldn't make economic sense, just like it doesn't make any
> >> >sense to collect a lot of things in different containers each week.
> >>
> >> If it doesn't make economic sense for you to do it, why do you want
me to
> >> do it?
> >>
> >It doesn't make economic sense for me to go to your house and pick
> >it up. It can make economic sense for you to bring it somewhere you
> >were already going.
> 
> But I'm not going there.
> 
You never go to restaurants? You never go to the grocery store?



> >> I don't mind contributing to society, volunteering and all that,
> >> this isn't one of the things I want to do.
> >>
> >Even if you used a deep fryer?
> 
> Why the hypothetical?
> 
If you aren't using a deep fryer, you don't have as much oil to
dump, by far. OTOH, if you were using one, you might wonder about
dumping out a half gallon of oil.


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