Charles Bishop wrote:
>
> In article <4803E541.55764973@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique
> allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )"
<tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> wrote:
>
> >Charles Bishop wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <4803C4A2.D15D76C5@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Bill Bonde ( 'the
oblique
> >> allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )"
<tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Charles Bishop wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> In article <48039B4D.12F41AC3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Bill Bonde ( 'the
oblique
> >> >> allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )"
<tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Veronique wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Apr 9, 10:36 pm, xhos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> >> >> >> > So where is all this ethanol going which we are starving the
world to
> >> >> >> > produce?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Around here, I'm not seeing E85 pumps sprouting like weeds,
and I
> >> think all
> >> >> >> > the MTBE here had already been replaced with ethanol before
the
> current
> >> >> >> > craze started. What's going on in the rest of the country?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> We have a biodiesel station right around the corner, and I know
a guy
> >> >> >> who's starting up a biodiesel company.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >There needs to a systematic and low overhead means of collecting
> >> >> >used cooking oil from individuals. I would suggest collection
> >> >> >points at grocery stores or even restaurants.
> >> >>
> >> >> Why? How much would they pay me for it? Enough to make it
worthwhile to
> >> >> collect the small amounts I use, then would have to store until
someone
> >> >> came along to collect it?
> >> >>
> >> >They wouldn't pay you anything. I'm saying that you collect it,
> >> >which you probably should do anyway since dumping it down the drain
> >> >is probably not good and the only other place is in the garbage.
> >> >You would then bring it to some place you were going anyway when
> >> >you felt like it, like how you would recycle newspapers or
> >> >whatever.
> >>
> >> I'm not going to do that, and how are you going to convince other
people
> >> to do that.
> >>
> >You aren't going to do that? Why bloody not?
>
> Don't swear at me young man. I told you why. It's too much trouble for
the
> small amount of oil I use.
>
If we include grease drained from cooked meats, is it really that
little?
> It wouldn't be worth it for me to do so. Also,
> you haven't given details. How often is the pickup? Do I have to supply
my
> own containers? Is there storage outside or do I have to keep it inside?
> usw.
>
I was going to have you drop it off, remember? When I buy cooking
oil, it comes with its own container.
> >> Right now, there is a trash receptacle and two recycling bins
> >> in the same area. People still throw their recylcables into the trash
bin
> >> when it would take almost no more time to put them in the recyclable
bin.
> >> How are you going to get people to do more with grease, which isn't
as
> >> easy to handle as Al cans and Gl bottles?
> >>
> >I think I start out by making it an option for those of us who
> >figure that we were going there anyway so why not drop off the used
> >oil. The fact that some people throw trash out of their car window
> >isn't a reason for other people not to pick it up.
>
> I agree with this and pick up other people's trash often. You need to
> consider how much it costs you to do it, and decide whether it's worth
it.
> It's not to me.
>
What are you doing with the fryer oil?
> >But if you start paying for the oil, your profits are what? That's
> >why they focus on the big scores, the McDonalds. But why couldn't I
> >bring in my used oil to one of these places, assume I actually was
> >going there already, and dispose of it there? I recycle my used
> >motor oil, don't you? Or is it into the trout stream with it
> >Bishop?
>
> You can. You were asking me to do it though. I like the little
troutsies,
> and wouldn't put oil in their stream. I take my paint to the hazmat
> center. The oil (did I mention how little I use? I must have) goes into
a
> container (or is sopped up with a paper towel) then into the trash which
> goes into the garbage with the rest of the food waste.
>
So you don't compost your non-meat food waste?
> >> I do know that that won't hold for commercial operations, but to ask
me to
> >> do work for free, and messy work at that, isn't going to fly.
> >>
> >I don't know what the mess is. You have to deal with the oil as it
> >is, right? What do you do with it now?
>
> See above. Note quantities, I'm sure I mentioned it before.
>
It may not apply to you because of these issues, I don't know.
> >> >> If they can pay people enough to make it worth while to collect
and store,
> >> >> then it's possible the cost of bio diesel will be within striking
distance
> >> >> of petro diesel.
> >> >>
> >> >Obviously collecting waste oil from fry shops makes sense. I don't
> >> >know what the profit would be on that. But if you could add in what
> >> >people produce, why not do it?
> >>
> >> Sure. Are you going to get enough people to do it to make it
worthwhile?
> >>
> >Since there's no cost, what could make it not worthwhile? If it's
> >worth picking up at by hundred gallon, why not get a few more
> >gallons while you are at it?
>
> They aren't picking it up here. If I have to take it someplace it's an
> expense. Gas is not cheap. Hey, I could use the waste cooking oil in my
> truck and it would be almost free. Is this a good idea?
>
You don't have enough of it.
> >> Would you set up a business collecting oil from people's homes? If
not,
> >> why not?
> >>
> >It wouldn't make economic sense, just like it doesn't make any
> >sense to collect a lot of things in different containers each week.
>
> If it doesn't make economic sense for you to do it, why do you want me
to
> do it?
>
It doesn't make economic sense for me to go to your house and pick
it up. It can make economic sense for you to bring it somewhere you
were already going.
> I don't mind contributing to society, volunteering and all that,
> this isn't one of the things I want to do.
>
Even if you used a deep fryer?
--
"Question, two men starving to death decide to eat their hair like
spaghetti. Is that funny?"
"Hmmm, well, it depends on if by funny you want to make people
laugh."
-+Eddie Izzard and Joanna Lumley, "The Cat's Meow"
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