Re: ethanol

Charles Bishop wrote:
> 
> In article <4803C4A2.D15D76C5@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique
> allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )"
<tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
> 
> >Charles Bishop wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <48039B4D.12F41AC3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Bill Bonde ( 'the
oblique
> >> allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )"
<tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Veronique wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Apr 9, 10:36 pm, xhos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> >> >> > So where is all this ethanol going which we are starving the
world to
> >> >> > produce?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Around here, I'm not seeing E85 pumps sprouting like weeds, and
I
> think all
> >> >> > the MTBE here had already been replaced with ethanol before the
current
> >> >> > craze started.  What's going on in the rest of the country?
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> We have a biodiesel station right around the corner, and I know a
guy
> >> >> who's starting up a biodiesel company.
> >> >>
> >> >There needs to a systematic and low overhead means of collecting
> >> >used cooking oil from individuals. I would suggest collection
> >> >points at grocery stores or even restaurants.
> >>
> >> Why? How much would they pay me for it? Enough to make it worthwhile
to
> >> collect the small amounts I use, then would have to store until
someone
> >> came along to collect it?
> >>
> >They wouldn't pay you anything. I'm saying that you collect it,
> >which you probably should do anyway since dumping it down the drain
> >is probably not good and the only other place is in the garbage.
> >You would then bring it to some place you were going anyway when
> >you felt like it, like how you would recycle newspapers or
> >whatever.
> 
> I'm not going to do that, and how are you going to convince other people
> to do that.
>
You aren't going to do that? Why bloody not?


> Right now, there is a trash receptacle and two recycling bins
> in the same area. People still throw their recylcables into the trash
bin
> when it would take almost no more time to put them in the recyclable
bin.
> How are you going to get people to do more with grease, which isn't as
> easy to handle as Al cans and Gl bottles?
>
I think I start out by making it an option for those of us who
figure that we were going there anyway so why not drop off the used
oil. The fact that some people throw trash out of their car window
isn't a reason for other people not to pick it up.




> >> I think reuse is a very good idea, and I take things out the the
local
> >> dumpster and collect useful items from people I work for (that
they're
> >> throwing away) then donate them to a thrift shop. But if I'm going to
go
> >> to the trouble for people who are going to profit from my efforts,
I'd
> >> like at least to know if I want to give them the fruits of my labors
if
> >> they aren't going to pay me.
> >>
> >How much profit are they going to make? You can't take the fat from
> >a meatloaf and just toss it your car's tank and go.
> 
> Watching "A Dirty Job", a guy recycling free cooking oil from a Mexican
> restaraunt said it cost him about $.50/gal once he got it converted. I
> don't know what he used to calculate this, I don't think he included his
> time since he was having fun, and he got the oil for free, but his
profit
> is roughly $3.50 at current prices.
> 
But if you start paying for the oil, your profits are what? That's
why they focus on the big scores, the McDonalds. But why couldn't I
bring in my used oil to one of these places, assume I actually was
going there already, and dispose of it there? I recycle my used
motor oil, don't you? Or is it into the trout stream with it
Bishop?



> I do know that that won't hold for commercial operations, but to ask me
to
> do work for free, and messy work at that, isn't going to fly.
>
I don't know what the mess is. You have to deal with the oil as it
is, right? What do you do with it now?



> >> If they can pay people enough to make it worth while to collect and
store,
> >> then it's possible the cost of bio diesel will be within striking
distance
> >> of petro diesel.
> >>
> >Obviously collecting waste oil from fry shops makes sense. I don't
> >know what the profit would be on that. But if you could add in what
> >people produce, why not do it?
> 
> Sure. Are you going to get enough people to do it to make it worthwhile?
>
Since there's no cost, what could make it not worthwhile? If it's
worth picking up at by hundred gallon, why not get a few more
gallons while you are at it?



> Would you set up a business collecting oil from people's homes? If not,
> why not?
> 
It wouldn't make economic sense, just like it doesn't make any
sense to collect a lot of things in different containers each week.


-- 
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"Hmmm, well, it depends on if by funny you want to make people
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