Re: ethanol

In article <4803C4A2.D15D76C5@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique
allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )" <tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:

>Charles Bishop wrote:
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>> In article <48039B4D.12F41AC3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique
>> allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )"
<tributyltinpaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> wrote:
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>> >Veronique wrote:
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>> >> On Apr 9, 10:36 pm, xhos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>> >> > So where is all this ethanol going which we are starving the world
to
>> >> > produce?
>> >> >
>> >> > Around here, I'm not seeing E85 pumps sprouting like weeds, and I
think all
>> >> > the MTBE here had already been replaced with ethanol before the
current
>> >> > craze started.  What's going on in the rest of the country?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> We have a biodiesel station right around the corner, and I know a
guy
>> >> who's starting up a biodiesel company.
>> >>
>> >There needs to a systematic and low overhead means of collecting
>> >used cooking oil from individuals. I would suggest collection
>> >points at grocery stores or even restaurants.
>> 
>> Why? How much would they pay me for it? Enough to make it worthwhile to
>> collect the small amounts I use, then would have to store until someone
>> came along to collect it?
>> 
>They wouldn't pay you anything. I'm saying that you collect it,
>which you probably should do anyway since dumping it down the drain
>is probably not good and the only other place is in the garbage.
>You would then bring it to some place you were going anyway when
>you felt like it, like how you would recycle newspapers or
>whatever.

I'm not going to do that, and how are you going to convince other people
to do that. Right now, there is a trash receptacle and two recycling bins
in the same area. People still throw their recylcables into the trash bin
when it would take almost no more time to put them in the recyclable bin.
How are you going to get people to do more with grease, which isn't as
easy to handle as Al cans and Gl bottles?
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>> I think reuse is a very good idea, and I take things out the the local
>> dumpster and collect useful items from people I work for (that they're
>> throwing away) then donate them to a thrift shop. But if I'm going to
go
>> to the trouble for people who are going to profit from my efforts, I'd
>> like at least to know if I want to give them the fruits of my labors if
>> they aren't going to pay me.
>> 
>How much profit are they going to make? You can't take the fat from
>a meatloaf and just toss it your car's tank and go.

Watching "A Dirty Job", a guy recycling free cooking oil from a Mexican
restaraunt said it cost him about $.50/gal once he got it converted. I
don't know what he used to calculate this, I don't think he included his
time since he was having fun, and he got the oil for free, but his profit
is roughly $3.50 at current prices.

I do know that that won't hold for commercial operations, but to ask me to
do work for free, and messy work at that, isn't going to fly.
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>> If they can pay people enough to make it worth while to collect and
store,
>> then it's possible the cost of bio diesel will be within striking
distance
>> of petro diesel.
>> 
>Obviously collecting waste oil from fry shops makes sense. I don't
>know what the profit would be on that. But if you could add in what
>people produce, why not do it?

Sure. Are you going to get enough people to do it to make it worthwhile?
Would you set up a business collecting oil from people's homes? If not,
why not?

-- 
charles