In article <47E01F6E.877A6755@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
Bill Turlock <"Bill Turlock "@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Mary wrote:
> >
> > On Mar 18, 2:10 pm, Bill Turlock <"Bill Turlock "@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > wrote:
> > > Mary wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mar 18, 11:42 am, Dover Beach <moon.blanc...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > > > Mary <mrfeath...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
> > > > >
innews:99a1e0c9-323c-43b4-ba8e-ee43d71c7e6f@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > om:
> > >
> > > > > > But yes: I do. I worked my tail off to get where I am:
worked on
> > > > > > acquiring marketable skills, worked on making myself valuable
to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > company, and I continue to work to keep up in my field.
> > >
> > > > > Well, that's kind of the point that the writer is challenging.
We
> > > > > can
> > > > > mostly agree that some of your earning power can be attributed
to
> > > > > being
> > > > > white and middle class and having decent parents and access to
decent
> > > > > schools and so on. The writer's point is that the part you're
> > > > > attributing to free will and hard work are also attributable to
> > > > > either
> > > > > nature or nurture, and either way, you don't get moral "credit"
for
> > > > > it.
> > >
> > > > You can have the moral credit. I'll take the money.
> > >
> > > > Seriously, I think there's a fine line. Yes, many of the
> > > > op****tunities that I had/have were open to me because I had good
> > > > parents, a good education, and was lucky enough to have been born
into
> > > > the American middle class.
> > >
> > > > But that's no guarantee of success either. I know lots of people
with
> > > > the same op****tunities who are in jobs they hate, or jobs they're
> > > > overqualified for, or both. And while it's not always because
they
> > > > were just unlucky.
> > >
> > > > Some people make decisions that delay or obstruct their ability to
get
> > > > jobs they want. Some people never learn that certain behaviors
aren't
> > > > acceptable in the cor****ate world. To the extent that Lisa Ann
knows
> > > > that she can't stand in AnnieB's cubicle and scream "YOU'RE AN
IDIOT"
> > > > at her, Lisa Ann's choices drive her success. And I've known
people
> > > > who act like that, so it's not like it's not a choice.
> > >
> > > > And then there are people who overcome disadvantages. One of my
co-
> > > > workers here is from Uganda. He emigrated, attended college and
grad
> > > > school here, and worked his way up in the company. Does he get
moral
> > > > credit?
> > >
> > > > Or me, even. My hearing's awful - if you have normal hearing I
hear
> > > > about half what you do. Any success I've had is despite that. Do
I
> > > > get moral credit?
> > >
> > > > > > I also just plain old work hard. We all work hard here, and
it
> > > > > > shows. Our company is well-run and very profitable, and it's
fun
> > > > > > working here. Honestly, this is the job I've been working
toward
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > whole life, and it's great. It really is.
> > >
> > > > > Man. I wish I liked my job that much.
> > >
> > > > At the risk of sounding really smug, this has been the best year
and a
> > > > half of my life from a career standpoint.
> > >
> > > > Mary
> > >
> > > ::clap clap:: happy for you!!
> > >
> > > I've had years like that. It's fun.
> > >
> > > Actually, the past ten days have been some of the happiest days
> > > of my life, by contrast with the previous eight months. :-)-
> >
> > Excellent. Anything nice that you can share, or just good times?
> >
> > Mary
>
> well, ummm... TMI... the BMs
Thank you for not running on.
--
bill
remove my country for e-mail


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Veronique <veroniqueun |
2008-03-17 19:35:16 |
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Bill Turlock <"Bi |
2008-03-17 20:50:01 |
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Dover Beach <moon.blan |
2008-03-18 11:59:27 |
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Peter Boulding <pjb@[E |
2008-03-18 12:17:18 |
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Mary <mrfeathers@[EMAI |
2008-03-18 14:01:03 |
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xhoster@[EMAIL PROTECTED] |
2008-03-19 05:13:40 |
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"artyw2@[EMAIL PROTE |
2008-03-18 06:38:24 |
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Les Albert <lalbert1@[ |
2008-03-18 09:03:31 |
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Mary <mrfeathers@[EMAI |
2008-03-18 06:54:17 |
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Dover Beach <moon.blan |
2008-03-18 16:42:21 |
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Justin Hiltscher <just |
2008-03-18 17:07:01 |
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groo <afcagroo@[EMAIL |
2008-03-19 04:29:20 |
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"Rick B." <d |
2008-03-19 13:00:12 |
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Justin Hiltscher <just |
2008-03-19 16:05:52 |
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xhoster@[EMAIL PROTECTED] |
2008-03-18 14:37:51 |
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Mary <mrfeathers@[EMAI |
2008-03-18 08:47:59 |
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"artyw2@[EMAIL PROTE |
2008-03-18 09:48:42 |
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huey.callison@[EMAIL PROT |
2008-03-18 11:51:52 |
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Les Albert <lalbert1@[ |
2008-03-18 09:46:19 |
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"artyw2@[EMAIL PROTE |
2008-03-18 09:59:29 |
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Bill Turlock <"Bi |
2008-03-18 10:48:04 |
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Mary <mrfeathers@[EMAI |
2008-03-18 11:00:20 |
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Bill Turlock <"Bi |
2008-03-18 11:10:05 |
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Mary <mrfeathers@[EMAI |
2008-03-18 11:14:35 |
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Bill Turlock <"Bi |
2008-03-18 12:00:46 |
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Les Albert <lalbert1@[ |
2008-03-18 12:20:39 |
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groo <afcagroo@[EMAIL |
2008-03-19 04:30:23 |
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bill van <billvan@[EMA |
2008-03-19 06:11:49 |
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2008-03-18 17:15:44 |
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Shawn Wilson <ikonoqla |
2008-03-18 20:36:18 |
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