Re: I Remember Diana, Princess Of Wales

"William Black" <william.black@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Jack Linthi***" <jacklinthi***@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Sep 5, 8:56 am, "William Black" <william.bl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> wrote:
>>> "John Briggs" <john.brig...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> > William Black wrote:
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>>> >> I am a freeborn Englishman and call no man my master save God and
my
>>> >> king.
>>> >> (I wish I could remember who said that first)
>>>
>>> > A Google search only comes up with: "I am a freeborn Englishman, I 
>>> > kneel
>>> > only before my God and my King."
>>>
>>> > Unfortunately, it was you who said it :-)
>>>
>>> > (You may be taking the role-playing too far...)
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> It's a quotation I've heard somewhere and used a couple of times.
>>>
>>> Someone said William Penn.
>>>
>>> --
>>> William Black
>>>
>>> I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
>>> Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
>>> I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough
gate
>>> All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
>>> Time for tea.
>>
>> Since Penn was  a Quaker and they were famous in his era for their not
>> showing any form of conformity with the then practiced  requirement
>> that a lesser doff his hat to a better, that may be the original of
>> this quote. Pepys has some drivel about Charles taking off his hat
>> when Penn wouldn't, saying only one man should have his hat on.
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> I know that a bit earlier Lord (Thomas) Fairfax and his father Lord 
> (Ferdinando) Fairfax both had men imprisoned for 'refusing to uncover'.
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> Charles II probably had more sense than the Fairfaxes, who were 'new 
> money'.
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> -- 
> William Black
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> I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
> Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
> I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
> All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
> Time for tea.

William Penn made British legal history.  The judge asked if he was guilty

as charged. Penn replied: 'The question is not whether I am guilty but 
whether the indictment is legal!'  He then asserted that a law denying the

God-given right of a man to obey his conscience was not valid.

Sir Samuel Starling, who was also Lord Mayor of London, ordered the jury
to 
return a guilty verdict.   Penn shouted 'You are Englishmen. Mind your 
privilege. Don't give away your right!'

The jury pronounced Penn and co-defendant Mead not guilty.  Sir Samuel 
Starling first threatening the jurors and then incarcerated them for 
contempt of court.

The jurors then produced a writ of habeas corpus.   Chief Justice Vaughan 
upheld the right of juries to give a verdict according to their
convictions.

The large marble plaque which commemorates the trial of Penn and Mead is 
preserved in the original entrance lobby of the Central Criminal Court. 
The 
building stands on the site of Newgate prison, which was adjacent to the 
Sessions House where the trial was held.

It was during this trial, I think, William Penn said, "I am a freeborn 
Englishman and call no man my master save God and my king."

Normandy



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